DNA research on Irish AMM.

[Uncle Betty]

Whats the point of adding even more insulting posts???
Oh mighty keyboard warrior!

Had second thoughts about your original post, I see.

It was a gentle dig, calm down.

And wash out your potty mouth !


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[Uncle Betty]

Seems to have worked pretty well for the Irish given the counts of imported DNA in their Amm.
It seems imports are fine if they're the "right bees". I've certainly noticed no reticence on the part of the big names at NIHBS et al when it comes to exporting their product.

I want to be clear that I am not a member of NIHBS, nor do I hold any brief for them.

But point taken nonetheless.

 

[For want of a better word]

Give it a rest Icanhopit. Your not-so-subtle attempts to run down a system that works and a bee that is proven is getting very tiring.
I was only providing information on a topic TooBee had shown interest in. No need for you to try to censor it.
Incidentally, its correct classification is Apis melifera carnica NOT carnolia....or any of the other childish words you use.

As dear Margaret T would have said "Where's Proof"

And just for the pedants....
it is Apis mellifera carnica(Pollmann) often called the Carniolan Honey Bee.

Not something I would want to keep ever again!

 

[Finman]

And just for the pedants....
it is Apis mellifera carnica(Pollmann) often called the Carniolan Honey Bee.

Not something I would want to keep ever again!

We call it Crainian bee derived from Kranija bee and from the district Bosnia Krainija.

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[Finman]

Carniolan Honey Bee.

Not something I would want to keep ever again!

IT is very popular bee. But is there over sees any country, which imports Black Bees?

 

[Beefriendly]

Had second thoughts about your original post, I see.

It was a gentle dig, calm down.

And wash out your potty mouth !


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Which post was that then? Please do elucidate what I had second thoughts about.
It wasn't a gentle dig it was an insult about my speaking ability designed to annoy.
Potty mouth??? .where was I obscene?

You do seem to be making a habit of turning reasonable debate into playground slanging matches. I wonder why?

 

[Beefriendly]

What will the village do for an idiot when you leave?

Yo Ho Ho, rolls in aisles laughing. For you Hoppy that's actually quite amusing...did you pinch the quote from Finman?

My original mentor who suffered anaphylactic shock and went on desensitization courses did exactly as I described, to suggest that such is idiotic is crass beyond words.
Or simply shows how low you are prepared to slump in order to promote your inbred feisty Amm's. You're becoming a forum joke and fortunately most people now realise this.
But all this aside, it is detracting from what is an interesting paper and debate....once again the Amm protagonists are determined to derail any sensible discussions about the bee they prefer to keep by a series of ad hominid attacks on anyone with a differing opinion.
One asks why? Although having just responded in kind

Just because one doesn't keep Amm's (in my case no longer) doesn't mean we don't appreciate their strengths and weaknesses. Not keeping Amm's doesn't not equate to disrespecting Amm's.

 

[Uncle Betty]

Which post was that then? Please do elucidate what I had second thoughts about.

Potty mouth??? .where was I obscene?

PM

 

[Swarm]

Not keeping Amm's doesn't not equate to disrespecting Amm's.

Was that bit just a slip?

 

[Beefriendly]

PM

Both your Personal Messages to me deleted without reading. I presume from their titles they were your usual trademark taunting hate mails.
You are a very sad man.

 

[Beefriendly]

Was that bit just a slip?

No, I have a lot of respect for all bee types. What I don't have respect for is people over-exaggerating their properties constantly week in week out. I'm very pleased that people use them as their main bee type, they have a lot going for them. They don't currently suit my needs so I use other types that do.

 

[Finman]

No, I have a lot of respect for all bee types. .

I don't . I have nursed several races and I would try them any more. Lots of differencies are inside races. It depends how seriously strains are bred or not.

Respect bees? - What does it mean? I lift hat when I pass by the hive?

 

[SDM]

Both your Personal Messages to me deleted without reading. I presume they were your usual trademark hate mails.

I reckon you've been a bit oversensitive on this one. His comment reads as a joke if you let it.
Don't be too hasty to bracket him with some of the other trolls. I stand by my assessment of earlier in the post. I find him "refreshingly reasonable "

 

[SDM]

I don't . I have nursed several races and I would try them any more. Lots of differencies are inside races. It depends how seriously strains are bred or not.

Respect bees? - What does it mean? I lift hat when I pass by the hive?

For all you've learned about bees, you've a lot to learn about the British, were generally a bit less confrontational and plain speaking than some of our northern European cousins we'd call it respectful . No surprise really that you haven't learned that here.

 

[Beefriendly]

I reckon you've been a bit oversensitive on this one. His comment reads as a joke if you let it.
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You have never been on the receiving end of his PM's before?? They are not nice to read.
Not a joke to me and rather insensitive of UB if he continues to try to provoke me.
Do you think being called a chronic masturbater on a public forum is in the least bit humerous SDM??? Perhaps you do?
https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=626619#post626619

 

[Uncle Betty]

You have never been on the receiving end of his PM's before?? They are not nice to read.

Put them out there for everyone to see. Or I will, if people care enough to ask.

You ought not to throw thinly-veiled racial slurs if you're so sensitive.

Your own post yesterday wasn't over-edifying, before you regrouped.

 

[Uncle Betty]

Both your Personal Messages to me deleted without reading. I presume from their titles they were your usual trademark taunting hate mails.
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They were witty and informative.

 

[Uncle Betty]

I reckon you've been a bit oversensitive on this one. His comment reads as a joke if you let it.
Don't be too hasty to bracket him with some of the other trolls. I stand by my assessment of earlier in the post. I find him "refreshingly reasonable "

Thank you.

 

[DanBee]

They're certainly easily disputed. Only 2 non local races trialled at each location. Why not all 11 in the study?
All it tells us is that the two races ( selected to fail?) did not cope as well with varroa and associated local viruses. It tells us nothing about how the vast majority of non locals would have fared . It also deals only with survival duration of untreated colonies in their first generation and nothing of comparative performance of treated colonies, which would surely be more relevant.
The study does little more than indicate the possibility of a local advantage and only in regards to duration of survival untreated.
Certainly not the basis for an import ban or a declaration in favour of local only bees as they are somehow superior.
The absence of a hybrid candidate is rather an oversight also.

Well said. That COLOSS paper on survival of local vs. non-local stocks was a very questionable study.

I was also intrigued that professional breeders/rearers/researchers were wrong about the stated races of their bees in around 30% of specimens analysed.

We would do well to remember that when a paper is published, it does not become A Fact, but rather it is published for critique, comment, challenge, and replication or contradiction by further studies.

Anyhoo, enough beekeeping content, back to the petty insults and mud-slinging

 

[Swarm]

No, I have a lot of respect for all bee types. What I don't have respect for is people over-exaggerating their properties constantly week in week out. I'm very pleased that people use them as their main bee type, they have a lot going for them. They don't currently suit my needs so I use other types that do.

Over your head? I meant the double negative. The over exaggeration is mostly coming from your direction? Constantly? Week in, week out?