Commercial links

[VEG]

I agree things can look different typed on a forum rather that spoken to face to face. What about the people that have contributed in the past do they not have as much right to a say?

 

[Winker]

I agree things can look different typed on a forum rather that spoken to face to face. What about the people that have contributed in the past do they not have as much right to a say?

Would you expect bee craft to be sent out if you didnt keep paying?

 

[VEG]

bee craft is a subscribed magazine different thing, you are paying for 12 months subscription.

 

[AnotherNewBee]

Surely the only group entitled to a bigger say in what happens to the site should be the owner/admin/mods who will be expected to do any extra work to ensure proposed changes run smoothly?

It appears that the poll is tending towards 'no'. I'm beginning to wonder how much longer it can run before the result is accepted.

I voted undecided, but during the discussions have now moved towards no on the grounds that allowing links might be too big a change at present. I'd still like to see some work done on the directory.

Newbies, I think, are in a very different position to the more experienced beeks. As part of their learning curve newbies need to find out about good sources. The more experienced beeks already have that information so, don't want it repeatedly posted - I know that in other forums seeing the same questions posted over and over again really drives me up the wall. In my case I'll be starting a basic course, soon, with my local association so will pick up that knowledge from them. I may even see one or two of you there!

 

[Winker]

Surely the only group entitled to a bigger say in what happens to the site should be the owner/admin/mods who will be expected to do any extra work to ensure proposed changes run smoothly?
It appears that the poll is tending towards 'no'. I'm beginning to wonder how much longer it can run before the result is accepted.

I voted undecided, but during the discussions have now moved towards no on the grounds that allowing links might be too big a change at present. I'd still like to see some work done on the directory.

Newbies, I think, are in a very different position to the more experienced beeks. As part of their learning curve newbies need to find out about good sources. The more experienced beeks already have that information so, don't want it repeatedly posted - I know that in other forums seeing the same questions posted over and over again really drives me up the wall. In my case I'll be starting a basic course, soon, with my local association so will pick up that knowledge from them. I may even see one or two of you there!

The admin put it up for a vote, so i guess he wants it to be democratic. Its his site, his choice. I agree.


I have to say that my local BKA is full of beekeepers who all bought matches as part of their winter prep.

What i read on here is light years ahead of my local BKA. But i enjoy the interaction with my BKA enough to keep going back.

 

[Teemore]

I have long since voted but didn't really see a need to comment until now.

The arguement has begun to diverge into threads discussing contributions made to the running of the forum and on the issue of the poll - the matter of commercial advertising/links. The thread should stay focused upon the issue of commercial links/advertising. I voted no in the poll but the more i think about this matter, the more I realise that this is not a black and white issue and can see where it could be advantageous to allow forumers to post commercial links

As an individual I do not want to experience people trying to create or hijack threads to advertise what they are selling. It is obvious when that happens and to date admin has managed to keep such instances under control. (At the same time I don't particularly want to see the forum suddenly grow advertising banners and pop-ups but if that happens it will be the decision of the site owner not me!)

I read and participate in this forum to share knowledge about beekeeping and to learn. Sometimes sharing knowledge requires one to point or be pointed towards a particular website.... For new beekeepers or people otherwise new to this forum, it might be beneficial if those sites were a little more recognisable rather than just ******.

Would it be acceptable to refer by name to the company who took over Taylors of Welwyn, to point out that their website and catalogue gives a nice breakdown of the various styles and sizes of frames available?
Would it be acceptable to give a link to their catalogue?
Would a ban on posting commercial links prevent forumers from posting links to on-line newspaper articles? They are commercial entities after all.

I see a clear distinction between someone posting information and someone posting an advert out of commercial interest. I think the forum is close to maintaining the correct balance.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

 

[Brosville]

You're forgetting the enormous amount if time and effort that would be required of the moderating team to implement it - pause and contemplate just what would be involved in verifying just one link as kosher........ A blanket "no" is far easier and safer all round....

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think the last sentence seemed to sum things up though, and close is good enough for me

I think the forum is close to maintaining the correct balance.

 

[psafloyd]

Free and open elections? From someone living in the land of the free dominated by a binary political system which offers everything but choice and delivers everything but action in both houses. How deliciously ironic.

 

[psafloyd]

Then we would have to change the nature of membership. I would have a say in that, but I would vote to include all members. I also voted for a yes as I would like to see admin'slife made easier with sponsorship and/or ad retiming.

Contrary to some views, there is a way of controlling it, by having clear editorial standards and protocols.

 

[psafloyd]

After chasing a farmer yesterday who was spraying chemicals all over my hives, which were extremely active at the time. I got my foot caught in a rabbit hole and broke my ankle, so its cabin fever for me for a few weeks!

Why was he doing that?

 

[psafloyd]

You're forgetting the enormous amount if time and effort that would be required of the moderating team to implement it - pause and contemplate just what would be involved in verifying just one link as kosher........ A blanket "no" is far easier and safer all round....

No, Brosville, if the system allows users to report spam or abuse, and the system take down anything reported immediately for review, the checking is more reactive.

 

[Brosville]

You're dismissing the work load involved in implementing such things with an airy wave of the hand - it would be considerable, and in my estimation would probably at least triple the hours that would have to be spent by the admin team - someone posts a "borderline" link, so the team have to try to weigh up whether it's allowable or not - there are a shower of pms that will need answering, WW3 breaks out in the thread involved......... and that's just one link! (all this can take hours) - some people suggest links would be fine if the poster had no connection with the company - how, short of employing private detectives are you going to find out?
As you can see in this thread alone, there are widely differing opinions on everything, and every single posted link could be a powder keg - if there's a flat ban, no problems, you can't do it, and I really can't see the advantage of having commercial links at all - for all those whingeing about people hitching free rides, commercial links on a forum are the biggest freebies of all - (to increase Google rankings) .........

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

 

[psafloyd]

You're dismissing the work load involved in implementing such things with an airy wave of the hand - it would be considerable, and in my estimation would probably at least triple the hours that would have to be spent by the admin team - someone posts a "borderline" link, so the team have to try to weigh up whether it's allowable or not - there are a shower of pms that will need answering, WW3 breaks out in the thread involved......... and that's just one link! (all this can take hours) - some people suggest links would be fine if the poster had no connection with the company - how, short of employing private detectives are you going to find out?
As you can see in this thread alone, there are widely differing opinions on everything, and every single posted link could be a powder keg - if there's a flat ban, no problems, you can't do it, and I really can't see the advantage of having commercial links at all - for all those whingeing about people hitching free rides, commercial links on a forum are the biggest freebies of all - (to increase Google rankings) .........

Again, no. As I said, IF THE SYSTEM ALLOWS. I am certainly not advocating expending resource that doesn't exist.
However, there may be tools available to admin to facilitate that, but if not, then we are constrained by what we have and I for one am happy with it.
But the time factor is not necessarily greater than a reactive form of administration, is often simpler and from a legal position often more robust.
Of course, if the system does not allow it without considerable development, the question is academic.

 

[Black Comb]

All the other fora I inhabit seem to have more than 2 moderators.

 

[psafloyd]

All the other fora I inhabit seem to have more than 2 moderators.

I've run a number of them, and it does depend on a number of factors.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

There having been no discourse or debate on this poll for nearly 48 hours. Don't you think the mandate has been given and it's time to close this thread admin? (btw I voted for option 2 but would be happy enough for the no vote to carry )

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

There having been no discourse or debate on this poll for nearly 48 hours. Don't you think the mandate has been given and it's time to close this thread admin? (btw I voted for option 2 but would be happy enough for the no vote to carry )

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