Are our bees 'enslaved'

[peteinwilts]

Fish eaters excluded! Everyone likes fish. Even other fish!

...unless there is something wrong with them!

 

[fincaazul]

Had a lady yesterday give me a right old lecture about how I was being cruel to honey bees and had enslaved them for my personal gain.
She is a Vegan and below is what she believes

http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

oh dear
She did wear nice perfume and make up though

So are you a slave master ?

Pete D

We are all 'enslaved' because we are alive. Nothing on earth can live without other things dying,from bacteria upwards, we are all interlinked in a chain of life that relies on death for our survival. People talk of the 'balance of Nature', there is no such thing. Life means that everything constantly changes. droughts reduce populations, floods drown people, earthquakes and Tsunamis cause devastation, no vegan diet can alter this, it is a part of being alive.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

Pete D - I think you are handling this all wrongly.

You need to engage her help. Appeal to her softer side, her caring nature.

In the autumn, ask her if she can look after all your poor drones for the winter.
They've been orphaned - pushed out of the nest to perish.
No- one to care for them. You are worried about them, but.........

Surely she can house and feed them over the winter for you?
And return them to you when the hive is open for business once more.

The saviour of the drone bees!

Dusty

 

[Pete D]

Pete D - I think you are handling this all wrongly.

You need to engage her help. Appeal to her softer side, her caring nature.

In the autumn, ask her if she can look after all your poor drones for the winter.
They've been orphaned - pushed out of the nest to perish.
No- one to care for them. You are worried about them, but.........

Surely she can house and feed them over the winter for you?
And return them to you when the hive is open for business once more.

The saviour of the drone bees!

Dusty

Good one, I will offer her the chance to free them from their life of slavery, poor little buggers having to laze around all day and night in the warm, fed and watered by the ladies and chasing flighty queens for their once in a lifetime mating. Maybe she can offer them a better 'natural' life.

Pete D

 

[thorn]

... OK, chickens would be kept for eggs...cows for milk. sheep for wool...or do we even need wool anymore?.

Vegans are the Provisional wing of the vegetarian movement, a very extreme bunch. They won't consume fish, dairy products or eggs, or wear leather or woollen clothing. All these exploit and enslave their brothers and sisters of the animal world.

Personally I think that sprouts are sentient beings. Whenever I eat them they struggle to escape.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Personally I think that sprouts are sentient beings. Whenever I eat them they struggle to escape.

I always have great pleasure in leaving them gain their freedom

Do like a nice sprout - boiled to that firm but slightly creamy consistency, plenty of white pepper
none of this twee flash fried with bacon/chestnuts and served crisp or al dente

One of the few aspects of Christmas I look forward to

 

[pargyle]

I always have great pleasure in leaving them gain their freedom

Do like a nice sprout - boiled to that firm but slightly creamy consistency, plenty of white pepper
none of this twee flash fried with bacon/chestnuts and served crisp or al dente

One of the few aspects of Christmas I look forward to

I was put off sprouts for life by my mother who used to put them on to boil in September for Christmas dinner - she likes her beef cooked until it's grey as well - not my tastes but she's 93 and still going strong so she got something right ... fresh fruit and veg before it all got processed and the war years healthy diet probably ! Daren't mention chemical issues ....

 

[Dishmop]

Yes, you're right. Roast child is too good not to eat.

I like children but could never eat one...




Not a whole one.

 

[madasafish]

...unless there is something wrong with them!

Mad fish are inedible.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Do like a nice sprout - boiled to that firm but slightly creamy consistency, plenty of white pepper

Try them with a sprinkle of nutmeg.

 

[Skyhook]

Vegans are the Provisional wing of the vegetarian movement, a very extreme bunch. They won't consume fish, dairy products or eggs, or wear leather or woollen clothing. All these exploit and enslave their brothers and sisters of the animal world.

When I became vegetarian I did consider becoming a vegan as the more morally logical position, but decided it just wasn't practical if I wanted to stay healthy without having to obsess over my nutrient intake. Depending on your point of view, that could make me a hypocrite or (as I prefer) a pragmatist. But I do respect those that go the whole (soya) hog.

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

Got a 'vegetarian' on my crew - hypocrite more like -he still eats fish (in vast quantities) and he spouts on that he gave up meat because of welfare reasons but insists on buying the crew's meat from a mate of his who is a purveyor of meat (it would be an insult to the trade to call this cowboy a butcher) I doubt there are any welfare considerations where he obtains his meat but he doesn't care if we eat non welfare friendly meat because it's cheap and there's more money to spend on his fish.
Unless you eat fish that was found belly up and thus died a natural death or line caught (the least stressful to the animals) how can you say you are concerned about animal welfare - look at the suffering a trawled fish goes through before eventually dying.
We were not built to be vegetarians but rather omnivores and the cuddly bunny type veggies really grip my... I do admire people with the conviction to go all the way (although I've yet to see a vegan wearing nowt but a grass skirt or shoes made from stone) even though i believe they are sadly misguided and wrong
Anyway - cows are largely to blame for the hole in the ozone layer, so the solution?

EAT MORE COWS​

 

[Little John]

Best answer I've heard.
Why can't people just keep their beliefs to themselves? They always feel the need to preach to others.

'Cause that's the whole point of religions - to create a 'them and us' situation. Then 'we' can be right/ morally superior etc., whilst 'the others' must therefore be wrong/ morally inferior, or just plain mad, bad or stupid - simply because they don't subscribe to 'our' ethos or belief system.

And there would be no point at all in having a 'them and us' situation if it wasn't capitalised upon by preaching/ adopting the moral high ground etc. After all, it is only by creating the illusion (and accompanying delusion) of tribalistic differences, that one group - as distinct from the other - can even exist.

LJ

 

[Mart_got_hives]

I once had a girl say she thought it was great that I keep bees, but she felt sorry for them being locked in a wooden box all the time...

Also had a discussion with a vegan mate about honey, her rationale for not eating honey was that some insects get killed in the process of inspections etc, I pointed out that whilst some accidentally do those grounds also exclude prettymuch all fruit, veg and grain from her diet as so many more more insects are killed raising those crops -and I didn't even get into the 'do you know how many aphids are in your broccolli' discussion. It seems honey is a contentious issue in the vegan world with some eating it and others not.

 

[onymee]

Had a lady yesterday give me a right old lecture about how I was being cruel to honey bees and had enslaved them for my personal gain.
She is a Vegan and below is what she believes

http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

oh dear
She did wear nice perfume and make up though

So are you a slave master ?

Pete D

next time you see her, ask her exactly how the bees are enslaved when they are free to leave at any time.

 

[madasafish]

next time you see her, ask her exactly how the bees are enslaved when they are free to leave at any time.

It's the mental enslavement she is worried about..If you are brought up as a slave, that's all you know.

"Free the Bee" has a certain ring to it.

 

[onymee]

It's the mental enslavement she is worried about..If you are brought up as a slave, that's all you know.

"Free the Bee" has a certain ring to it.

Save the animals....eat a vegan, has a better one

 

[Skyhook]

Unless you eat fish that was found belly up and thus died a natural death or line caught (the least stressful to the animals) how can you say you are concerned about animal welfare - look at the suffering a trawled fish goes through before eventually dying.

I quite agree, I think the way commercially caught fish are treated is awful- not even given the mercy of a bash on the head before being gutted. If I was going to eat anything it would be beef or lamb, on the basis that they're more stupid than pigs, easier to stun than a fish, and you don't need to kill as many as you would chickens- I imagine a cow would keep me going for some time.


QUOTE=jenkinsbrynmair;297753]
Anyway - cows are largely to blame for the hole in the ozone layer, so the solution?

EAT MORE COWS​

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I think you'll find that should read 'breed less cows'

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[Luminos]

The hole in the ozone layer is caused by JBM eating sprouts - he more or less admitted it in an earlier post

 

[DanBee]

Save the animals....eat a vegan, has a better one

I do like Vegans, but I can never manage a whole one...