vsh - form your own opinion

[Finman]

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There are stories, that you can see, to what direction a new start to fly and you can find the hive. I have tried to look, but I cannot see the bee when it is more than at 5 m distance.

There 1000 bees flying. Virgin is almost same size as a fully loaded bee. But you can differ , that that is the Queen!

 

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Adam Finkelstein's VSH bees on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me1eaYUYsEg

 

[Fusion_power]

My eyes are not as good as they once were finman. I have to use glasses to read. I don't need them to see the bees on a hive 5 feet away and I don't have trouble recognizing a virgin queen walking around on the landing board of a hive.

 

[Finman]

My eyes are not as good as they once were finman. I have to use glasses to read. I don't need them to see the bees on a hive 5 feet away and I don't have trouble recognizing a virgin queen walking around on the landing board of a hive.

But you write that you saw the Queen flying. Not walking to mate.

Virgin flies outside quite much before mating.

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[Fusion_power]

But you write that you saw the Queen flying.

And I did, after noticing her on the landing board, I stood and watched a few minutes until she started flying first in arcs near the entrance, then further away. Strictly speaking, I can't say whether it was an orientation flight or a mating flight. She definitely flew out of the hive and presumably returned a bit later. I'm fairly sure she flew again today. The same colony was in an agitated state near the same time of day with hundreds of bees flying around.

 

[SDM]

And I did, after noticing her on the landing board, I stood and watched a few minutes until she started flying first in arcs near the entrance, then further away. Strictly speaking, I can't say whether it was an orientation flight or a mating flight. She definitely flew out of the hive and presumably returned a bit later. I'm fairly sure she flew again today. The same colony was in an agitated state near the same time of day with hundreds of bees flying around.

I've spotted virgins in the air lots of times, oddly I do t recall ever identifying a drone in the air. Not always but often see the same agitation around the nuc as the queen leaves. Often an odd bee fanning nasanov at the entrance to guide her home. I've picked out the queen in a flying swarm once or twice too. Not sure why finnman finds the idea so odd.

 

[Finman]

I've spotted virgins in the air lots of times, oddly I do t recall ever identifying a drone in the air. Not always but often see the same agitation around the nuc as the queen leaves. Often an odd bee fanning nasanov at the entrance to guide her home. I've picked out the queen in a flying swarm once or twice too. Not sure why finnman finds the idea so odd.

I have ever seen any agitation around the nuc.

Mating flights happen mostly during warmest time of the day. Then nurser bees come out to make cleansing flight.

Never seen any mating swarms on twigs.

No researh speak about mating nucs.

But it makes no difference, are they or not. Main thing is that queens start to lay.

But if I see, I will surely will write to internet.
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[Poly Hive]

The sound of a queen in flight is very different. Distinctive.

Not so sure I would hear it now having lost some of my hearing but that in turn has advantages, less noise from the East.

PH

 

[Finman]

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I hear drone sounds, but which of them 5000 drones say it. And Queen sound among those.... Yes very clear. And I feel pheronomes in Air.
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[Fusion_power]

Yes very clear. And I feel pheronomes in Air.

Careful, that might be gas.

 

[Finman]

Careful, that might be gas.

Thanks pal. I will walk on tiptoe.

 

[Eyeman]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-08464-2

Interesting article and there is a more in depth discussion in the Nov 2017 ed. of the ABJ.

Foster and his colleagues have created a robust breeding technique that will let honey bee breeders create their own disease-and parasite-resistant stock, if desired. Boosted by their success, they’re now expanding the marker panel to cover traits like honey production and gentleness.

 

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Interesting article and there is a more in depth discussion in the Nov 2017 ed. of the ABJ.

If you could scan the article and post it as a pdf here, everyone could read it.

 

[Eyeman]

If you could scan the article and post it as a pdf here, everyone could read it.

Not sure how 'legal' that would be as it's from a recent edition. Something about copywrite law & unlawful reproduction!
Admin some advice please.

 

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Not sure how 'legal' that would be as it's from a recent edition. Something about copywrite law & unlawful reproduction!
Admin some advice please.

A single article of only a few pages would be ok for discussion purposes, I think. At Uni, we were allowed to scan up to 30 pages from a book without running foul of copyright laws. However, if Mark wants to give a ruling on this, thats good too.

 

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Interesting article and there is a more in depth discussion in the Nov 2017 ed. of the ABJ.

Thank you for a copy of the article.

It struck me that, instead of testing any and all samples, as suggested in the article, a better approach would be to "approve" certain lines once they had been tested. A similar approach is under development at Länderinstitut für Bienenkunde Hohen Neuendorf (https://www2.hu-berlin.de/bienenkunde/).

 

[Finman]

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Sounds too good to be true. Mark good features! . Centleness... You surely notice it without marking.

Honey production. IT is the result from all factors in hive's life and pastures. IT is not a factor you can mark. For example swarming fever during main flow drops easily the yield 30-50 kg.

Sounds to me humbug in theory. And even secret text.

And those hygienic bees. I know that there are too much advertising in then.
How fast bees draw out dead larvae, and it is supposed to solve quite many things in beekeeping. Even if there are better solutions in those problems.

More magic than reality.

. How many professional beekeepers make those hygienic tests? Have they helped to breed better bees?


OK breeding but too much advertising and solving too much problems with one trick.
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[Finman]

My eyes are not as good as they once were finman. I have to use glasses to read. I don't need them to see the bees on a hive 5 feet away and I don't have trouble recognizing a virgin queen walking around on the landing board of a hive.

If you are sitting on the side of the hive waiting that the virgin queen comes out?
What idea is in that sitting?

My eyes are -5, but they are only eyes what I have. But I have different glasses to work, to drive and to read. Virgings can go as they want. I do not follow them. Only what I follow is that they start to lay, and they do not have injuries.

 

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Sounds to me humbug in theory. And even secret text.

. How many professional beekeepers make those hygienic tests? Have they helped to breed better bees?

The science is moving forward at an astonishing pace, particularly in the area of genetics.
It is true that the majority of beekeepers don't concern themselves with testing stock, but, things are changing. Animal breeding is moving from the "farmyard" into the laboratory. OK, perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, but, performance of most domestic farm animals has been improved through controlled breeding. There will always be people who want to preserve the "rare breeds" (which can be a valuable genetic resource) but, this is what beekeepers want and you can't stop progress.

 

[Finman]

The science is moving forward at an astonishing pace, particularly in the area of genetics.
It is true that the majority of beekeepers don't concern themselves with testing stock, but, things are changing. Animal breeding is moving from the "farmyard" into the laboratory.

So it is but the reality is different. Scientist are not doing better bees. Why, because very few country even has beekeeping scientist.

Look at USA. It has really many beekeeping universities, but how well it is helping their beekeeping. They have played game with " legal and not legal" mite treatments and has it helped beekeeping. It is same thing in the UK.

At same time positive hobby beekeepers have made real mesh with their do nothing and natural beekeeping figures. Business have sold 2 decades mite resistant queens which in tests are NOT mite resistant.

When I got scientic reasearcher's education in university, it taught me to seek and veryfy the truth. It did not taught to believe everything nice what I meet year after year.

To keep my mouth sometimes shut, it has never been one of my best virtues

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