Varroa natural mite drop

[davnig]

Can't post photos from here ... My hive is a long hive with a hinged apex roof. Inside the roof I put a couple of hinged brackets which swing down and clip in place then I can hang the frames, as I take them out one at a time, on them and photo them with free hands. Before I added my 'frame hanger' I found it near impossible to hold a frame with one hand and photo it with the other ... I'll PM you a link to my cloud of photos when I get home and you'll see what I mean.

ah yes can 'picture' that quite well - having that hinged roof is a great help, cheers

 

[Dishmop]

Even week and month is the same to Dishmop and he thinks that I have invented the fact which he could read from Fera's papers.

When Fera come up with some answers I might read what they have to say, but for the 3 years I have been keeping bees I have read nothing new.
Every so often a new TV programme of doom and gloom about bees is shown and its just a revamp of all the others we have watched, except the last one I saw told us to keep our bees in wicker baskets and let them swarm.

I think you are fully aware (as I stated) that I was not being specific regarding the time period for mites increase. I hoped that you might be able to understand that 20 dont increase to 40 because some will die,(leaving less than 40) but I see I was wasting my time as you conveniently choose to ignore it, using your time better employed by being pedantic about weeks versus months. I couldnt be bothered to troll through all the stuff you find on the internet and post here because its just all a load of figures which mean nothing regarding how to cure varroa.

Research??????? a 12 year old child can get those figures from google and called it a research paper.

 

[Finman]

Research??????? a 12 year old child can get those figures from google and called it a research paper.

That is exactly why they are there. Ylou need not invent your own.

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[Dishmop]

Pray tell me what has been invented?

 

[Finman]

Pray tell me what has been invented?

Exactly.

But you may too phone to some who knows...

 

[Dishmop]

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I can understand the 2 sylable word but not the sentence of single ones.

Is that your final answer.

or would you also like to phone a friend?

 

[Ely]

Humour is frowned upon but it looks like a lengthy pointless argument is encouraged! Hope the original poster can make sense of any info he might have wanted.

 

[pargyle]

Humour is frowned upon but it looks like a lengthy pointless argument is encouraged! Hope the original poster can make sense of any info he might have wanted.

If you weed out the protracted 'discussion' about issues away from the original post - the general concensus appears to be that there have been less varroa about this year. Albeit a very small sample of beekeepers and it probably wouldn't hold up to any serious scrutiny - perhaps someone will put a poll together to see what a larger sample of forum members have as their varroa experience this year. Might be worth leaving it a month until those who treat have done what they need to do.

 

[beeno]

I did start my post "with all due respect", believing this would show my respect for Nanetti's undoubted contribution to understanding the beast.

Hi mbc and Finman,
A quote from the urbandictionary.com
"with all due respect
a statement said before you give an insulting comment. generally to not get the person pissed off..."
Never works, of course, and I don't think it was lost in translation, so it is for your benefit mbc. Cheap

 

[VEG]

If you dish it out don't moan when it comes back at you lol

 

[Heather]

Will you PLEASE all bloody well ignore each other. Handbags getting worn out.

 

[oliver90owner]

Post #149. About 50 or more posts too late. Covered far, far earlier. Didn't you read it somewhere?

 

[Ely]

If you weed out the protracted 'discussion' about issues away from the original post - the general concensus appears to be that there have been less varroa about this year. Albeit a very small sample of beekeepers and it probably wouldn't hold up to any serious scrutiny - perhaps someone will put a poll together to see what a larger sample of forum members have as their varroa experience this year. Might be worth leaving it a month until those who treat have done what they need to do.

Not sure about the point of it to be honest. If you have a problem after doing your checks then treat. Not sure what all the speculation is about.

 

[mbc]

Hi mbc and Finman,
A quote from the urbandictionary.com
"with all due respect
a statement said before you give an insulting comment. generally to not get the person pissed off..."
Never works, of course, and I don't think it was lost in translation, so it is for your benefit mbc. Cheap

With all due respect beeno, Finman beef hooked, the respect was legit and intended for the findings of the varroa group, Nanetti et all.

 

[Finman]

With all due respect beeno, Finman beef hooked, the respect was legit and intended for the findings of the varroa group, Nanetti et all.

WOW. Í say WOW.
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(oh dear)

 

[charlievictorbravo]

Back on Topic, Chaps, Please

If you weed out the protracted 'discussion' about issues away from the original post - the general concensus appears to be that there have been less varroa about this year. Albeit a very small sample of beekeepers and it probably wouldn't hold up to any serious scrutiny - perhaps someone will put a poll together to see what a larger sample of forum members have as their varroa experience this year. Might be worth leaving it a month until those who treat have done what they need to do.

Well said, Pargyle, well said. Only one person reported severe infestations, most contributors reported surprisingly low numbers on the Inspection Trays but the reporting method may not make these results statistically significant. The use of counts of Varroa from inspection trays was called into question. Nevertheless, it is still an approved monitoring system, according to FERA's Managing Varroa.

So, instead of you experienced beeks ripping into each other, why not have a go at explaining what's going on - why the reported low numbers of mites on inspection trays at this stage of the season - are these low numbers replicated on Drone-brood uncapping samples - are ants removing mites from the trays before the beeks do their count (which would, I suspect, invalidate the "Tray count" method) - so many questions, so few answers...

CVB

 

[Finman]

, why not have a go at explaining what's going on -

- so many questions, so few answers...

Nothing is going on. All questions are known, what you need to know.


30 years ago there was no proper medicine to varroa (I bought one medicine from Yogoslavia, but bever used it because it had lots of cancer stuffs in smoke)

25 years ago it was perizine (coumafoss) and it was trickled exatly at same way as oxalic syrup

20 years ago it was Apistan slices.....and mites begin to become resistance to that stuff

10 years ago European Varroa Group sieved best treatment methods out of tens of used. )years 1998-2006)

in August 2013 some 2-hive owners in Beekeeping Forum thought that they renew everything at the issue of Varroa destructor. That revolution group was not very lucky because most of their members had dyslexia or their basic knowledge was miserable to understand words or figures in conversation.


During last 10 years nothing new has happened in treatment stuffs or in basic treatment methods.

You just take care of them. They are your bees.



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[Finman]

perhaps someone will put a poll together to see what a larger sample of forum members have as their varroa experience this year. .

Disease issues do not go that way that, we have a consensus, do we or not we. If most do, I do

If you are sick, it has nothing to do with other people how you must take care yourself.

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[Jeff Buzz]

I was working on a large country house and pest controller was doing his regular visit to control rats.
He came over for a chat and told me that the owner had asked not to come anymore as he no longer had a rat problem so need not visit anymore.
Pest controller pointed out that perhaps the reason that he no longer had a rat problem was because the pest controller had controlled the problem by regular treatment.
Owner obviously knew better then pest controller who had many years experience and still sent him on his way.
Pest controller told me give it six months rats will be back only to be noticed after they had caused lots of damage and will cost a lot more to get back to where he is now.

Last year I took 17 hives into winter, treated them all using Hivemakers Autumn Thymol Treatment and oxalic acid in winter.
I lost two hives due to both being weak going into winter and being in a very exposed site (so all my fault) but 15 survived and grew at a amazing rate due mainly I would say because of the advice I took from Finman in giving them loads of room, letting the queen go and fill the boxes without queen excluders.
So my experience has been that treating for varroa had no adverse affect that I could discern and I will be treating again this year.
Also I have never found the need to count mites on the inspection board before or after treatment life is too short, I do check drone brood though.

Has it worked I think so last weekend my honey take just topped 2000 lb and my bees all look happy.

Thanks for your advise and postings Finman

 

[Heather]

Sensible post, Jeff. And I fully agree...but envious of your crop! From my 15 hives only 5 have produced enough honey to extract so only 200 lb. Checked rest, no nosema, queens laying good pattern etc. Think they are feeding on marijuana as so laid back. But honey secondary for me.. just want healthy bees. Not dropping any varroa...but treating.