Poll: Should it be legal to use the word "Raw" on labels to describe unheated, non-pressure filtered honey

[Younus]

This is exactly the definition of every small beekeepers honey, and some larger beekeeping operations too. A least in Sweden, and also UK I guess where most honey produced are done so by small beekeepers. So if "raw" is the definition of nearly all not imported honey, why use it?

And a complication are, it's not really about temperature, it's about temperature and time. I would much prefer heating honey to 50 degrees C during five minutes, than heating to 40 during five hours.

Vast majority of beekeepers fine filter. It's taught so the honey looks better and they can compete in shows. Most of them overheat, many don't use effective controls. Hive temperature is 35 Degrees, everything above degrades. That's BBKA and SBA, also international norm. 40 Degrees is widely accepted for practicality and destroys only a minimum of enzymes. Overheated honey is still sweet but has no or only few nutrients and medicinal properties. We call it Baker's Honey. Nothing to do with the extremely valuable bee product. Can't be sold as Honey.

 

[pargyle]

Vast majority of beekeepers fine filter. It's taught so the honey looks better and they can compete in shows. Most of them overheat, many don't use effective controls.

I'm not sure that''s true of most hobby beekeepers and an awful lot of the small scale beefarmers - the standard double strainer is almost universally used are normally 40 mesh and 60 mesh which are 400 and 250 microns. Pollen grains are on the whole less than 200 microns with the vast majority in the range 25 to 50 microns. So the standard seives are going to let the vast majority of pollen grains through. Settling tanks will remove most larger wax particles but there will be finer wax particles left in suspension that are not lost to a surface skim. I think, also, that most people are conscious that overheating honey to make it tractable should be limited to below 40 degrees - warming cabinets are well controlled - or those using light bulbs would be hard pushed to get the cabinets anywhere near 40 degrees with normal bulbs. Those with tube heaters normally have thermostats to control the heat.

What happens with large scale commercial beefarmers - I can't comment on - the resistance I've seen on here to the word raw does raise suspicions but I'm not prepared to condemn them. Some might but they are the best ones to tell you what they do ...

 

[Sanntos]

Vast majority of beekeepers fine filter. ..

Impossible, no one wants to do it and it's also hard to do.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Vast majority of beekeepers fine filter

nonsense

 

[Anduril]

Vast majority of beekeepers fine filter.

Even Trading Standards know we wouldn't be fine filterering it using pressurised containers.

 

[Finman]

Overheated honey is still sweet but has no or only few nutrients and medicinal properties. We call it Baker's Honey. Nothing to do with the extremely valuable bee product. Can't be sold as Honey.

Vast majority of beekeepers: in Britain 90% out of beekeepers are 2 hive owners... some simple sieving.

Overheated is overheated... yes.. what ever it means

But it has same nutrients as properly heated . Sugar for energy is honey's most valuable nutrient. That is why bees store it. To human the taste is the best.

Extremely valuable entzymes in honey. Very few vitamines. But a human do well without honey. An animal has its own extremely important enxymes in its own genes.

Honey is not "extremely vauable bee product". It is about £ 10 / kg to customer.

Younus. You use extremely overheated terms when you tell about honey.

 

[Somerford]

like 'Bee Juice'......?

 

[Sanntos]

I'm not sure that''s true ....

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nonsense

 

[Finman]

like 'Bee Juice'......?

in English honey
In Turkey bal
In Estonia mesi
In Finland hunaja
In Sweden honung

Yes, we have permanent old names in each country. No need to invent more.

 

[Somerford]

No need to invent more.

Too late - a certain celebrity over here is selling Bee Juice.....

 

[user 20297]

Too late - a certain celebrity over here is selling Bee Juice.....

It's tricky to explain. Given the nature of the celebrity, I guess it's less to do with finding a new marketing word for honey and more of a schoolboy humour double-entendre.

 

[Repwoc]

The price is interesting. It looks like a 12 oz jar, but neither the text nor pictures of the label show the quantity for £16.50. I presume it says "Honey" on the out-of-shot part of the label otherwise I think not using it is contrary to the honey regs.

https://diddlysquatfarmshop.com/products/bee-juice-and-honey-dipper
The bit about honey solidifying en-route due to getting cold. Oh my.

 

[Finman]

Too late - a certain celebrity over here is selling Bee Juice.....

Oh dear!

 

[Erichalfbee]

Too late - a certain celebrity over here is selling Bee Juice.....

 

[Younus]

Vast majority of beekeepers: in Britain 90% out of beekeepers are 2 hive owners... some simple sieving.

Overheated is overheated... yes.. what ever it means

But it has same nutrients as properly heated . Sugar for energy is honey's most valuable nutrient. That is why bees store it. To human the taste is the best.

Extremely valuable entzymes in honey. Very few vitamines. But a human do well without honey. An animal has its own extremely important enxymes in its own genes.

Honey is not "extremely vauable bee product". It is about £ 10 / kg to customer.

Younus. You use extremely overheated terms when you tell about honey.

Of course. Your qualification?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Of course. Your qualification?

And yours?