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So would you have to kill every badger and every deer and test sheep?
Or big Mac as he's now calledAnd don’t forget the already vaccinated alpacas......Geronimo!
So would you have to kill every badger and every deer and test sheep?
But, with respect, that's not what the food labelling regs state ... see my post above ...Does it say anywhere there that it has to be on the front?
I checked and double checked with various authorities including TS (I had a friend, who at the time was head of TS/EH of Carmarthenshire), the legality was also checked when I was judged in the commercial section at the National Honey show (and discussed later with the judge)
As I said in my last post All the regulations say is that all the mandatory stuff must be in the same field of vision - it doesn't matter where on the jar that is (mandatory, in our case also means the description 'Honey')
Have a look at the majority of items on supermarket shelves and you will see that weights etc, are usually on the side or the back of the package.
and that was exactly what I said at the outset, but in fewer and different words - it must all be in the one field of visionBut, with respect, that's not what the food labelling regs state ... see my post above ...
The net quantity must be close enough to the name of the food that you can see all this information at the same time
If you recall ... it was the label on the Morrisons jar that I was querying from the Local Honey Man ... which clearly does not have the product and the weight in the same field of vision - which, in this instance was the front of the jar. I rather think you introduced some doubt into my mind so I went and looked at the actual regulations ... whether that relates to your jars I don't know ... it wasn't my concern. I wasn't nit picking - there are people on here who may look to see what the labelling requirements are and whether or not yours met the requirements of the Honey Show judges has little, if any, relevance. The regs are the regs and the wording field of vision does not appear in them. What it says is clear ..and that was exactly what I said at the outset, but in fewer and different words - it must all be in the one field of vision
I'm not going to dig back over ten years just to find the email I received back just to satisfy minor nitpicking
Are you being deliberately obtuse? for a start, that photograph is only showing one elevation of the jar as I said in my initial postNow who is nit picking ? Where in the field of vision as you put it - or more importantly as the regs stipulate can you see the weight declared ?
so without knowing what's on the other side of the jar (obviously not shown as they don't always show the boring bits), your initial statementthe weight can be anywhere - it's probably on the back with all the other mandatory bits. All the regulations stipulate is that all the mandatory stuff is in the right font size and all in the same field of vision (apart from the BBE/Lot numbers - they can be elsewhere as long as where is again indicated in that one field)
May not be trueRegardless of the word raw that label does not meet ANY of the honey labelling requirements ... origin, weight ?
Stop fighting you two.Now who is nit picking ? Where in the field of vision as you put it - or more importantly as the regs stipulate can you see the weight declared ?
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Never mind fighting amongst ourselves, lets work on the common enemy, divert all that pent up energy and direct it at the companies abusing the term honey. For once, can we just stop beating ourselves up.
Totally agree. Unfortunately, I think all we can do is complain to TS and they seem to be impotent when dealing with the perpetrators.Never mind fighting amongst ourselves, lets work on the common enemy, divert all that pent up energy and direct it at the companies abusing the term honey. For once, can we just stop beating ourselves up.
Never mind fighting amongst ourselves, lets work on the common enemy, divert all that pent up energy and direct it at the companies abusing the term honey. For once, can we just stop beating ourselves up.
Not sure they are impotent, they have the regulations and 2017 guidelines so they have the "tools" they need. I guess the possible varied response is largely dependent on local resources and priorities. Certainly the TSO I spoke to yesterday said they will investigate complaints and take action on anyone with Raw on the label that is reported. all TS have to at least look into a complaint but if you are busy with illegally imported booze, **** and hazardous knock off electrical appliances etc and increased workload due to imports and exports procedures changing. Where does a disgruntled beekeeper come on the priority list. Its a really niche compliant that most people are not bothered with, 90% of honey consumed is imported mass produced stuff which suggest 9/10 consumers are pretty apathetic towards honey. Of the remaining 10% the producers are split over the raw issue and those customers who buy in the 10% are probably savvy enough to value the product without the need for claims. Using it is not posing a health risk or doing harm and not costing the country in terms of lost revenue due to fraud etc so interms of non compliance with regulations is pretty low down the list. Those who want to use it presumably think it will direct more customers and sales to them, mainly via search engines. But I doubt many of those will be converts from supermarket stuff but more likley from another small producers and possibly more local. Lets not think this is a way of taking on the imports it's just a marketing tool that some want to use for their benifit. By all means if you think it's unfair that some use it and some get caught out using it either lobby for it to change or report those you see using it. Quality local honey should not and does not need gimicks.Totally agree. Unfortunately, I think all we can do is complain to TS and they seem to be impotent when dealing with the perpetrators.
The message of these two labels intends to communicate are the same, high quality honey, but the latter one is more subtly, and I am sure also the winner in the long run, since it speaks to the informed customer.
I guess the first one sells more for the moment. But everybody can print that label, probably adding "Very Excellent". Only Mel Cymreig can print the other one.
Of course they can - it means 'Wesh Honey'Anyone of hundreds of beekeepers can write "Mel Cymreig" on their label
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