Ley-lines and bees

[user 6228]

they should be expected to prove their claims.

... Mostly ignored by those that do not believe there could be a link....

But 'those' people are usually the lovers of poisoning the environment for a little personal gain. Or even just because the purveyors of those poisons have brain-washed them (would not take long for some).

Can you cite a study above where scepticism of leylines correlates with "lovers of poisoning the environment for a little personal gain." Please?

 

[madasafish]

Can you cite a study above where scepticism of leylines correlates with "lovers of poisoning the environment for a little personal gain." Please?

That's me. I poison the environment with pesticides and think ley lines are unlikely to be replicated with consistency..

Err... hang on. I garden organically . But still doubt ley lines.

So what does that make me: a closet lover of poisoning the environment?

Conflating two entirely different sets of thoughts and ideas and coming to erroneous conclusions is not a known scientific method but a well known technique of rabble rousers .... and politicians.

Eg socialists stand up for the poor and downtrodden and believe in taxing the rich more , so all socialists are poor.

 

[Putnamsmif]

As to let lines their existence isn't even proven is it?-

Not proven? The fact that oil, mining and water exploration employs 'diviners' is more than enough for me, to give it some credence. The fact that some water and gas board personnel are also competent at finding pipelines is another useful pointer? I can find tile field drains running across older well established pastures.

Get off you butt and try it, is my suggestion. It works.

As to their benefits, or otherwise, that is the only thing to be more than just 'demonstrated'. Proven means without any doubt, or very little. Usually by mathematical derivation or a huge amount of practical work. Some things are not yet sorted on the mathematical front. One is ley lines.

12 persons on a jury can not always get it right.

Re-read my post. Nowhere did I suggest divining for water, oil or minerals is nonsense. What I said was that it has not been proven that ley lines exist in any other form than a bunch of random lines interconnecting ancient sites.

As to getting off my butt as you so succinctly put it and prancing round a field waving a twig, when I get the inclination I'll give it a try.

 

[victor meldrew]

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[Mellifera397]

That's me. I poison the environment with pesticides and think ley lines are unlikely to be replicated with consistency..

Err... hang on. I garden organically . But still doubt ley lines.

So what does that make me: a closet lover of poisoning the environment?

Conflating two entirely different sets of thoughts and ideas and coming to erroneous conclusions is not a known scientific method but a well known technique of rabble rousers .... and politicians.

Eg socialists stand up for the poor and downtrodden and believe in taxing the rich more , so all socialists are poor.

I believe the term is 'ignoratio elenchi'

M

 

[madasafish]

I believe the term is 'ignoratio elenchi'

M

I bow to your superior knowledge...

 

[Mellifera397]

Unfortunately my knowledge is limited to things that lack any productive application whatsoever.

Such is life

M

 

[oliver90owner]

Unfortunately my knowledge is limited to things that lack any productive application whatsoever.

Then why do you try to appear an expert on neonics? Such is life?

 

[Mellifera397]

Unfortunately my knowledge is limited to things that lack any productive application whatsoever.

Then why do you try to appear an expert on neonics? Such is life?

I think most people would realise that my previous post was an attempt at modesty.

M

 

[victor meldrew]

Not the PP.

VM M


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[Margaret Elisabeth]

I would think, swarming to be essential behaviour of the honeybee regardless of location .
Feral colonies swarm without the intervention of human kind and they choose the location of their hives presumably within the influence of the ley line phenomenon.
Supercedure whilst considered an asset by the beekeeper , wouldn't help the honey bee population in the long run ,as division is their only way of multiplying surely?
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Perhaps with 300 colonies the bees are self regulating their population of the area.
Perhaps humans should do the same.

 

[Margaret Elisabeth]

Unfortunately my knowledge is limited to things that lack any productive application whatsoever.

Such is life

M

What even your beekeeping?

 

[Mellifera397]

What even your beekeeping?

genau!

M

 

[victor meldrew]

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[rolande]

Perhaps with 300 colonies the bees are self regulating their population of the area.

He also makes this comment about lack of swarms (from pargyles link again). My bold highlight.

Feral Colonies
They have not been killed off by Varroa, it was an assumption, not scientific. Beekeepers are to blame due to putting hives in the wrong place where they die out with Varroa, so no swarms or feral colonies. Feral colonies are still out there surviving. Reduced in numbers, yes, but they are always found above a line.

 

[madasafish]

"Feral Colonies
They have not been killed off by Varroa, it was an assumption, not scientific. Beekeepers are to blame due to putting hives in the wrong place where they die out with Varroa, so no swarms or feral colonies. Feral colonies are still out there surviving. Reduced in numbers, yes, but they are always found above a line."

I have never lost a colony to varroa (well,not that I know of) so I must be placing hives on the "right" places.

But I can't find any ley lines. Period.

So this is all BS.

 

[user 6228]

I put my bees in silver boxes that capture and retain the natural energy flux of the bees and reflect away the bad karma, that way I dont need to buy crystals every year

 

[pargyle]

I put my bees in silver boxes that capture and retain the natural energy flux of the bees and reflect away the bad karma, that way I dont need to buy crystals every year

Crystals have nothing to do with Ley Lines ... and neither has Tofu, Open toed sandals or long hair ... before this goes any further.

My view is .. it may not be scientifically proven ... indeed, in some people's eyes it may not be proven at all ... but, it costs nothing, doesn't detract anything from your beekeeping (apart from looking a bit of a D..k wandering around with a couple of pieces of bent wire) and for me ... it seems I have well mannered, healthy, low varroa colonies ... I'm prepared to accept that there may be a myriad of reasons for this - all of which are valid ...I'm not suggesting siting on Ley Lines is the ONLY thing you need to do to keep your bees healthy and happy ... but it might help and where's the harm ?

 

[user 6228]

Crystals have nothing to do with Ley Lines ... and neither has Tofu, Open toed sandals or long hair ... before this goes any further.

My view is .. it may not be scientifically proven ... indeed, in some people's eyes it may not be proven at all ... but, it costs nothing, doesn't detract anything from your beekeeping (apart from looking a bit of a D..k wandering around with a couple of pieces of bent wire) and for me ... it seems I have well mannered, healthy, low varroa colonies ... I'm prepared to accept that there may be a myriad of reasons for this - all of which are valid ...I'm not suggesting siting on Ley Lines is the ONLY thing you need to do to keep your bees healthy and happy ... but it might help and where's the harm ?

hypotheses:

dowsing is nothing more than the brain subconciously integrating landscape features

leylines are just geodesics between features, some of these geodesics are useful to wildlife for navigation and other purposes e..g hill ridges hedges.
puttng a hive on one of these just makes bee navigation easier. Just as a small grass air field located on a series of prominent road or river or coastal features is easier to find using VFR in a light aircraft.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

genau!

M

And Welsh - well done!