Flow Hive - more info

[pargyle]

seriously interested in this, tell me how you go about setting the hive etc, might be something I could try in my woodland

There's enough here to tell you everything you need to know... and a whole lot more - Richard Cannon also keeps bees and practises a very sustainable lifestyle.

http://www.downthelane.net/Page_29.php

From there Richard has a link to more dowsing sites (just a bit down on the LHS)..... enough info to keep you reading for weeks.

All you need is a couple of bits of bent wire (copper based brazing rod seems to work best for me) and an open mind. Some people can do it ... some can't .. indeed, the sceptics are often the people most surprised when it works for them !

As for siting the hives the ideal place is where two lines cross - they tend to be about 3' to 5' wide so there's a sweet spot about 3' square where they cross. Ideally from the bees viewpoint the hive wants to be South(ish) facing. Next best place is to site a row of hives following the most Easterly or Westerly traversing line - again with the hives facing South(ish).

I've been experimenting this season with some hives with the frames aligned N/S and some E/W ... bear in mind I am foundationless - it's early days but I seem to get less cross-comb formed when the frames are aligned N/S than when they are E/W. There appears to be a preference for the bees to have their home aligned on a North/South transit.

OK .... Blue touch paper lit - tin hat on ! My shoulders are broad...

 

[Thymallus]

OK .... Blue touch paper lit - tin hat on ! My shoulders are broad...

Absolute tripe, go get yourself a million dollars and then we might listen to you...and I'll eat a poly hive as a bonus if you succeed.

 

[pargyle]

Absolute tripe, go get yourself a million dollars and then we might listen to you...and I'll eat a poly hive as a bonus if you succeed.

Like I said ... my shoulders are broad ...

I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone else - you don't have to believe it but it costs you virtually nothing to try it. What do you have to lose - apart from your desire to have everything in neat and tidy, well labelled and explainable boxes ? I was the biggest sceptic around a few years ago so I know how you feel .... but it works.

Have you never noticed patterns in nature ? The Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio for instance ... not everything can be explained by pure science.

Even the human mind is subconsciously deeply focused on certain algorythyms and patterns. I've found in my woodturning that shapes that conform to the Golden Ratio are more pleasing to people who view them than those that do not .. at exhibitions the pieces that get picked up most are those that conform. If we can't explain why this is in the human mind (yet) what chance have we with an insect who has more sensory powers than we can begin to comprehend ?

Enjoy yourself in your narrow box ... I have no wish to convince you to look outside - like I said, the pre-requisite is an open mind.

 

[dexter's shed]

What do you have to lose - apart from your desire to have everything in neat and tidy, well labelled and explainable boxes ? I was the biggest sceptic around a few years ago so I know how you feel .... but it works.

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cheers, I've always believed bees know way more than us, so no reason not to try this, lots of animals/birds use lay lines as finding those lines comes in handy when pigeon shooting, I'll give it a go over the woods, never know, might find a underground spring whilst doing it, now that would come in handy



have broad shoulders too, flow frame buyer

 

[For want of a better word]

Am I the infamous one then ? I dowse to site my hives and although I can't get them all on intersecting ley lines within my limited aviary the best hive (calm bees, good producer and a great laying queen) is bang on one. The swarm that I collected in July in a neighbours garden was in a bush that was exactly on an intersection of two ley lines ....

It's about the only thing I agree with Roger Patterson on ....

I will not repeat the lymerik bout the chap deflowering owls in his underground apiary as Hive maker will get aggrieved!


Ley lines... I was a believer til we discovered that the magic line attracting so many swarms was Western Power's main feed to our village passing a fathom underground across our property.... but then one does need to take a holistic view on beekeepering!

It is raining....stair rods........... coming your way PA!!


Yeghes da

 

[Thymallus]

I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone else -

Yup, yet another snake oil merchant not prepared to back his "powers" up, even with a million bucks up for grabs. Thought as much.
You are self delusional and your twitching coat-hangers are a result of your expectancy and the ideomoter effect.

 

[Thymallus]

lots of animals/birds use lay lines as finding those lines comes in handy when pigeon shooting,

Local geographic topography is more important to bird flights and migration than lines that don't exist.

 

[dexter's shed]

Local geographic topography is more important to bird flights and migration than lines that don't exist.

have the pigeons read those maps/books too,

 

[Thymallus]

have the pigeons read those maps/books too,

You think pigeons can read?
Amazing.
And you believe in ley lines as well.
Case closed!

 

[Erichalfbee]

have the pigeons read those maps/books too,

Local geography topography is not about maps which are a human invention so a daft argument.
However there are lots of unexplained things in the natural world.
I would like to know why for the third year running a colony in the same spot on the end of my long hive stand is doing badly.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Back to flow hives
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...B_20150812202158&SearchText=Flow+Hive+Beehive

 

[Tremyfro]

The whole ley line...water dousing thing is interesting and shouldn't be pooh hooed.
Recently, the SBI came to visit. She remarked several times how easy it was to inspect the bees...very quiet bees, hardly any extra comb, hardly any sticky propolis...etc.
I didn't like to mention ley lines......
There are lots of unexplained things that happen in the world. It doesn't mean they don't happen...just that we don't yet know why...nor understand.
I think it is ignorance that leads to dissent.
After all....people believed vehemently that the world was flat....until there was proof otherwise.
I agree that if ley lines could be proved...one way or another...it would be great...we just don't know...as yet!
So be careful which side of the fence you sit...me? I'm sitting on it!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

So be careful which side of the fence you sit...me? I'm sitting on it!

I would as well but I won't as it's festooned with broken glass to keep the scum away
(see, I didn't say gippoe once then did I?)

 

[BeeJayBee]

seriously interested in this, tell me how you go about setting the hive etc, might be something I could try in my woodland

Couple of forum threads for you ...

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30905
and
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8579

 

[pargyle]

Ley lines... I was a believer til we discovered that the magic line attracting so many swarms was Western Power's main feed to our village passing a fathom underground across our property.... but then one does need to take a holistic view on beekeepering!

It is raining....stair rods........... coming your way PA!!

Yeghes da

I can understand that ... the lines of influence that dowsers pick up are generally considered as magnetic anomalies or concentrations so a power line would produce a mighty powerful magnetic field - I can see that bees could well be attracted to a source such as that.

The stair rods arrived about an hour ago ... torrential rain for about half an hour - it's stopped now but I think it's a lull not a cessation ... bees not happy ... tramping around on the landing board and looking very grumpy.

 

[For want of a better word]

I can understand that ... the lines of influence that dowsers pick up are generally considered as magnetic anomalies or concentrations so a power line would produce a mighty powerful magnetic field - I can see that bees could well be attracted to a source such as that.

The stair rods arrived about an hour ago ... torrential rain for about half an hour - it's stopped now but I think it's a lull not a cessation ... bees not happy ... tramping around on the landing board and looking very grumpy.

And there is another lot on the way.....
What could be better than a 1/2 hour forecast of heavy rain.... all I need is a forum member in the Scillies... or even the Lizzard would do

Yeghes da

 

[Thymallus]

The whole ley line...water dousing thing is interesting and shouldn't be pooh hooed.

Oh yes they should. It's a load of bunkum. Try to get one proponent of these physic chicaneries to have a go for a million dollars. What happens, nowt. A load of feeble excuses, because they know they are charlatans and would fail.
They are ALL snake oil merchants. It's been tested and tested again not a sausage of evidence. Nothing better than random guesses.

Yet people choose to delude themselves that "they" have these abilities. It should be poo pooed from the highest places.

As for water diviners. there is a well documented case where all the dowsers failed a simple test. Three pipes in a field just under the surface, they had to tell which one the water was flowing through. Random guesses by all of them.

Just ask yourself one question, this prize money has been up for grabs for over 50 years and there have been many attempts by people to claim it. Yet it's still there. I wonder why.....
Sit on your fence if wish. I'm definitely on one side of it.

 

[Thymallus]

. the lines of influence that dowsers pick up are .

figments of their vivid imaginations. Get real Pargyle or if you are a real man you will make me eat my words when you walk away with your million quid.
By the way how did those e-bay bought CD bee back scratchers work out that kill all the varroa

 

[Tremyfro]

I would as well but I won't as it's festooned with broken glass to keep the scum away
(see, I didn't say gippoe once then did I?)

Ha ha ha ....put me in mind of the wall around our garden...years ago we lived in the centre of a village....the wall was topped with broken glass. Then someone decided that a bench should be put at the end of the wall...where you could sit and admire the stream flowing past. The village lads soon used it as a place to smoke and hang out...there wasn't enough space for them all to sit....so they chipped the glass off the wall. And their Mums were complaining about the ripped trousers! As they threw all their crisp and *** packets into the garden...my father eventually spoke to our village Bobby. He was hardly older than the lads. Anyway...they came to apologise...being nice village boys and my Dad suggested they redo the top of the wall...and they did.....dad gave them another bench to sit on too.

 

[Tremyfro]

Oh yes they should. It's a load of bunkum. Try to get one proponent of these physic chicaneries to have a go for a million dollars. What happens, nowt. A load of feeble excuses, because they know they are charlatans and would fail.
They are ALL snake oil merchants. It's been tested and tested again not a sausage of evidence. Nothing better than random guesses.

Yet people choose to delude themselves that "they" have these abilities. It should be poo pooed from the highest places.

As for water diviners. there is a well documented case where all the dowsers failed a simple test. Three pipes in a field just under the surface, they had to tell which one the water was flowing through. Random guesses by all of them.

Just ask yourself one question, this prize money has been up for grabs for over 50 years and there have been many attempts by people to claim it. Yet it's still there. I wonder why.....
Sit on your fence if wish. I'm definitely on one side of it.

Ah ...but you don't actually know it isn't true either. No one has proved it is untrue. Well except for the water diviner test...
You can have your opinion but until there is definite proof to the contrary...I am on the fence.