Flow Hive - more info

[Tremyfro]

Can you put links to them please as they would make interesting reading.

I'm afraid I don't know how to do links....but I guess you could read the forum here for a snapshot of Beekeeper opinion. Similar comments in the states too. These eBay advertisers are charging almost the same as the Flow Hive team....so not much of a bargain to be had.
The Flow Frames do work...whether Chinese frames would..I couldn't say but I do think it is a pity that the design is stolen before the Flow Hive team get a chance to see the Frames in action with all their customers.

 

[pargyle]

I'm afraid I don't know how to do links....but I guess you could read the forum here for a snapshot of Beekeeper opinion. Similar comments in the states too. These eBay advertisers are charging almost the same as the Flow Hive team....so not much of a bargain to be had.
The Flow Frames do work...whether Chinese frames would..I couldn't say but I do think it is a pity that the design is stolen before the Flow Hive team get a chance to see the Frames in action with all their customers.

Well .. the jurys out still on that statement - I find it difficult to find anyone on the internet (apart from the original inventors and a few selected flow hive 'testers') that actually have flow frames in their hives - let alone producing honey !

I would have expected success stories to be flowing freely as the frames start to be delivered but I have searched everywhere and I can't find anything at all ..

Perhaps you can direct us to where the evidence (outside of the marketing hype please) is that flow frames 'work'.

 

[Tremyfro]

Well .. the jurys out still on that statement - I find it difficult to find anyone on the internet (apart from the original inventors and a few selected flow hive 'testers') that actually have flow frames in their hives - let alone producing honey !

I would have expected success stories to be flowing freely as the frames start to be delivered but I have searched everywhere and I can't find anything at all ..

Perhaps you can direct us to where the evidence (outside of the marketing hype please) is that flow frames 'work'.

Not that many people have received them as yet....and of course it would depend on where you live as to whether you could use them at once...and whether you had a hive ready for supering. Also a takes a little time for the bees to fill the frames.There are a couple of reports coming in from the USA and Canada, already, of the first harvests from the Flow Frames. You can find these reports on the official Flow Forum. I checked this and you go to ...Honeyflow.com and look in forum. There is a thread called ...Flow Frames...look there for post from Ontario Canada. That man adapted the flow frames for his size box...so the seal on the box isn't too good. In one post he says that a few bees were able to get into an area where they got squashed and he ended up with a few bee legs in the honey....he says it was his adaption which caused the problem. I expect in his haste to get the frames up and running.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I'm afraid I don't know how to do links.....

Copy paste the web address in your browser

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Not that many people have received them as yet....and of course it would depend on where you live as to whether you could use them at once...and whether you had a hive ready for supering. Also a takes a little time for the bees to fill the frames.There are a couple of reports coming in from the USA and Canada, already, of the first harvests from the Flow Frames. You can find these reports on the official Flow Forum. I checked this and you go to ...Honeyflow.com and look in forum. There is a thread called ...Flow Frames...look there for post from Ontario Canada. That man adapted the flow frames for his size box...so the seal on the box isn't too good. In one post he says that a few bees were able to get into an area where they got squashed and he ended up with a few bee legs in the honey....he says it was his adaption which caused the problem. I expect in his haste to get the frames up and running.

so there is no evidence then - just hype and hearsay,

 

[Erichalfbee]

Talking of honeyflow.com forum posters are quite severely censored. I just saw two perfectly acceptable though critical posts just vanish! To extrapolate I might infer that posts describing frame failure might be somewhat thinner on the ground than those illustrating their success..

 

[BeeJayBee]

There are a couple of reports coming in from the USA and Canada, already, of the first harvests from the Flow Frames. You can find these reports on the official Flow Forum. I checked this and you go to ...Honeyflow.com and look in forum. There is a thread called ...Flow Frames...look there for post from Ontario Canada.

I don't know if the link will be edited out by the forum's software, but is this the thread you mean? http://forum.honeyflow.com/t/pics-of-the-flow-frame-in-action/2665/14

Frames had been in "about 2 weeks" on 20th July. Assuming it was done on the day of the comment, the first honey was harvested 12 days later.

That poster seems to be an established beekeeper, because they say they've modified an existing hive, but even so there's no mention of checking the honey's water content.

They do also mention the bees wings and legs in the honey which Jake, from the honeyflow team, says is probably bits of wax. I'd have thought an experienced beekeeper would know the difference.

I might infer that posts describing frame failure might be somewhat thinner on the ground than those illustrating their success..

It's a very happy-clappy, pat each other on the back, sort of forum. In a way that's nice, but it will be interesting to see how they deal with complaints when they do start coming in - because are bound to be some.

 

[pargyle]

It's a very happy-clappy, pat each other on the back, sort of forum. In a way that's nice, but it will be interesting to see how they deal with complaints when they do start coming in - because are bound to be some.

Same way as they do now I suspect .. almost instant deletion of any negative posts ... happy clappy heavy handed moderation ... haven't we seen this on another beekeeping forum in the past ???

I spotted one post saying that they wondered if they had blundered in buying in to the FH set up as they had been speaking to other beekeepers about it ... disappeared within a couple of minutes - gone without trace. Perhaps Dexters Shed (who has been appointed a moderator on there) can enlighten us about their moderation policies ?

It's also interesting that the 'Successful' flow hive user had this to say as well ....

"The fill and refill are quick due to several factors. First off, we run three deeps of brood to increase winter survival. Second, we only have a few hives. Third, our farm is a little over 500 acres of hay, pasture and bush - so we always have something blooming. The pastures are rotationally grazed using Holistic Mgt, so we always have a good patch of some form of clover blooming. We were certified organic for a decade and continue to use no pesticides. Fourth, we use a hive that is square and passively ventilated. So, in short, my hives are stuffed with bees, the bees don't have to fly far for nectar or pollen, and they don't have to deal with many of the stresses encountered by other hives"

Pretty near perfect conditions all round for producing honey I would suggest ..

Oh ... and average 20 degrees C temperatures ... (I wish !!!)

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/canada/ontario/toronto

 

[dexter's shed]

posters are quite severely censored. I just saw two perfectly acceptable though critical posts just vanish!

I don't know if the link will be edited out by the forum's software, but is this the thread you mean?

doubtful as YOU CAN STILL SEE IT, were as eric is saying you can't

I'm not saying eric's post is true or not, how would I know...... oh wait, as I'm a moderator on their I've just looked, as we get to see EVERYTHING, the same as MODS ON here, probably see things you mere mortals don't, and I have not been alerted to any dodgy posts

 

[dexter's shed]

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It's a very happy-clappy, pat each other on the back, sort of forum..

I think they are too laid back, they do not want to upset anyone, even the haters, and will leave post's up until it really get's too much, I've even been told off for my british way of one strike and your out, I'd quite happily ban half of them, but have been told to bite my tongue

 

[dexter's shed]

, as we get to see EVERYTHING,

ok, I've just found one that has been made invisible, but it's quoting the trade mark of flow, cannot see anything wrong there, you have to remember there is a difference between a bee forum, and a forum relating to a product for bees, there's a difference

 

[einsteinagogo]

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It's a very happy-clappy, pat each other on the back, sort of forum. In a way that's nice, but it will be interesting to see how they deal with complaints when they do start coming in - because are bound to be some.

I'm not sure Kicklstarters have the right to complain?, it's not an order, or purchase it's a free perk or gift as a thank you! and The Company is under no obligation to supply....

(to support the business and manufacture, or items order or purchased direct from the website, which should get support, warranty, and guarantee!).

I'm not sure you can complain, if the item is free. If the items do not meet their description, that is part of the learning curve, and re-development of the items, or failure of the project.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I think they are too laid back, they do not want to upset anyone.......I've even been told off for my british way of one strike and your out, I'd quite happily ban half of them, but have been told to bite my tongue

Praise The Lord you're not a mod here then. If you applied the one strike and your out rule there wouldn't be anybody left here.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

some people would be happy with a boring, bland forum where the only people left can post total tripe ad infinitum without fear of contradiction.

 

[dexter's shed]

Praise The Lord you're not a mod here then. If you applied the one strike and your out rule there wouldn't be anybody left here.

too true

 

[Thymallus]

some people would be happy with a boring, bland forum where the only people left can post total tripe ad infinitum without fear of contradiction.

I think I know the one you mean But there are still people on it who need some guidance and should not be led into the dark side. But as we are supposedly to place our hives on Ley lines , according to one infamous poster, there is not much hope left.

 

[BeeJayBee]

I think I know the one you mean But there are still people on it who need some guidance and should not be led into the dark side. But as we are supposedly to place our hives on Ley lines , according to one infamous poster, there is not much hope left.

If we start on ley lines and dowsing this could turn into quite an, umm, interesting thread!

 

[pargyle]

If we start on ley lines and dowsing this could turn into quite an, umm, interesting thread!

Am I the infamous one then ? I dowse to site my hives and although I can't get them all on intersecting ley lines within my limited aviary the best hive (calm bees, good producer and a great laying queen) is bang on one. The swarm that I collected in July in a neighbours garden was in a bush that was exactly on an intersection of two ley lines ....

It's about the only thing I agree with Roger Patterson on ....

 

[dexter's shed]

I dowse to site my hives The swarm that I collected in July in a neighbours garden was in a bush that was exactly on an intersection of two ley lines ....

It's about the only thing I agree with Roger Patterson on ....

seriously interested in this, tell me how you go about setting the hive etc, might be something I could try in my woodland

 

[Thymallus]

Ley lines are load of mumbo jumbo and anyone claiming they can detect them is lying through their teeth and trying to con people into believing something that doesn't exist. There is a $1000,000 dollar prize up for grabs for ANYONE who can demonstrate they have ANY physic ability, ley lines, water dousing, telepathy etc ect. It can be found at the James Randi Educational Foundation http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html
Its been up for grabs since 1964. And still remains unclaimed to this day...I wonder why

Until anyone who claims he has these ability's and can prove it and become very rich in the process I personally will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
I've challenged RP to have a go, but he refuses....saying he doesn't want to be rich...HA HA. I told him he could give the money to charity and demonstrate once and for all whether he was a genuine physic or a snake oil merchant.

They all find an excuse not to do it...because they can't., some are self delusional and have convinced themselves "they" have the ability.

The challenge is there.

So come you Ley liners, dust off your calibrated coat hangers and go get yourself a cool million dollars. It's free to enter.
I'll even bet non of you even attempt it because you are snake oil merchants. RP included.