Flow Hive - more info

[einsteinagogo]

more sellers appearing on eBay, at least three, two on Amazon, and now available on Aliexpress......

 

[Hivemaker.]

more sellers appearing on eBay, at least three, two on Amazon, and now available on Aliexpress......

Good to see the supply to meet the demand is coming up to speed.

 

[Erichalfbee]

quite a few brits have bought them, but so far they all seem to be mad established beekeepers that know there's more to it than turning a tap

Most of the UK supporters on the flow forum don't appear to be mad established keepers at all but innocent novices. There's a poor lady there who has made nucs by taking frames of brood from two very middling colonies and has them now starving and being robbed and she only got her bees as a nuc early this summer..

 

[einsteinagogo]

Most of the UK supporters on the flow forum don't appear to be mad established keepers at all but innocent novices. There's a poor lady there who has made nucs by taking frames of brood from two very middling colonies and has them now starving and being robbed and she only got her bees as a nuc early this summer..

that's a real shame...but I suppose it happens in all hobbies, I see it in tropical/marine fishkeeping as well...(it shouldn't.... people should read around the subject etc etc, and there are plenty of support networks, courses, books, BBKA, associations etc)

but with some "beekeepers" I've dealt with, and I use the term "beekeepers" litely, they've not followed advice given!

purchase fish, and have no understanding of how to keep them.....other than OATA are now working with Pets at Home/Retailers, and Pets at Home staff are now asking questions, to ensure the welfare of the fish, are well looked after!

(well they should be!).

 

[pargyle]

We simply believe in telling it as it is. If it's crap it's crap. Saves all that diplomatic stuff saying lots of long words and end up saying nowt.
Old Yorkshire saying "Tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman....but you can't tell him much!" .......See we have a sterotype image to live up to.

Actually ... I was born and reared in the West Riding ... Swinton to be exact ... didn't leave until I came down here to college ... two of my kids went to Sheffield University (although both born and raised down here) and both of them stayed in Sheffield .. one has only just moved South after 13 years in Sheffield and the other seems set to stay there.

I've never lost my Yorkshire roots or my Yorkshire values ... and I call a spade a spade as well - but I'm open to using a shovel occasionally ...

 

[pargyle]

Most of the UK supporters on the flow forum don't appear to be mad established keepers at all but innocent novices. There's a poor lady there who has made nucs by taking frames of brood from two very middling colonies and has them now starving and being robbed and she only got her bees as a nuc early this summer..

Yes ... exactly what I was seeing over there and there's not a lot of appropriate advice coming forward either at present. It was bound to happen.

Even with association support we see an annual influx of new beekeepers who either pack up at the end of the season when they realise that it's a bit more involved than they thought or they just disappear altogether over the winter -possibly as their bees die. Only a small percentage go on to become established beekeepers.

One of the failings of some associations is that they are not proactive with new beekeepers - they tend to be there when help is asked for but ... I suspect the asking for help bit does not come naturally to everyone.

They struggle, wither and give up.

 

[dexter's shed]

Most of the UK supporters on the flow forum don't appear to be mad established keepers at all but innocent novices. There's a poor lady there who has made nucs by taking frames of brood from two very middling colonies and has them now starving and being robbed and she only got her bees as a nuc early this summer..

true, I know who your referring too, I'll shut up for a minute

 

[Ely]

Like I said ... my shoulders are broad ...

I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone else - you don't have to believe it but it costs you virtually nothing to try it. What do you have to lose - apart from your desire to have everything in neat and tidy, well labelled and explainable boxes ? I was the biggest sceptic around a few years ago so I know how you feel .... but it works.

Have you never noticed patterns in nature ? The Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio for instance ... not everything can be explained by pure science.

Even the human mind is subconsciously deeply focused on certain algorythyms and patterns. I've found in my woodturning that shapes that conform to the Golden Ratio are more pleasing to people who view them than those that do not .. at exhibitions the pieces that get picked up most are those that conform. If we can't explain why this is in the human mind (yet) what chance have we with an insect who has more sensory powers than we can begin to comprehend ?

Enjoy yourself in your narrow box ... I have no wish to convince you to look outside - like I said, the pre-requisite is an open mind.

I'm a huge skeptic but I'm also quite bored at the moment so I'm going to give it a go this weekend. Who knows, if it does exist it may be explainable by science one day. Fibonacci is mathematics. Mathematics is elite science

 

[Thymallus]

if it does exist it may be explainable by science one day.

Problem is it (or rather they) don't exist as metaphysical entities. They were only imbibed with this spiritual and mystical aspect in 1969 in a rather dodgy book.
Science has already explained that a random distribution of a sufficient number of points on a plane will inevitably create alignments of random points purely by chance.
But if it makes you happy.....Just make sure your coat hangers are well calibrated

 

[Ely]

Problem is it (or rather they) don't exist as metaphysical entities. They were only imbibed with this spiritual and mystical aspect in 1969 in a rather dodgy book.
Science has already explained that a random distribution of a sufficient number of points on a plane will inevitably create alignments of random points purely by chance.
But if it makes you happy.....Just make sure your coat hangers are well calibrated

Well it will give me something to do to replace honey extracting.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

that's a real shame...but I suppose it happens in all hobbies, I see it in tropical/marine fishkeeping as well...(it shouldn't.... people should read around the subject etc etc, and there are plenty of support networks, courses, books, BBKA, associations etc)

but with some "beekeepers" I've dealt with, and I use the term "beekeepers" litely, they've not followed advice given!

purchase fish, and have no understanding of how to keep them.....other than OATA are now working with Pets at Home/Retailers, and Pets at Home staff are now asking questions, to ensure the welfare of the fish, are well looked after!

(well they should be!).

How are your neighbours these days Andy?

 

[einsteinagogo]

How are your neighbours these days Andy?

hey, my neighbours are fine.....other than a swarm earlier in the season, that went into one of their houses, through rotten wood work! (not from my bees either!).

they seemed quite chilled out these days.....and I don't get call out as much, on swarm patrol!

 

[madasafish]

Ebay item 261996274953 "2x Beekeeping Beehive Frames Best Harvesting Honey Kits For Deep Super/Brood Box" did not sell.
Bid £42 - did not meet its reserve.

Early days but bodes badly for the future...or the bargain of the century?

 

[REDWOOD]

Sh!t that took some reading lol

 

[thorn]

Problem is it (or rather they) don't exist as metaphysical entities. They were only imbibed with this spiritual and mystical aspect in 1969 in a rather dodgy book.

To save me from looking back through this thread, are we talking about Yorkshiremen here? I thought Billy Liar was a bit earlier than 1969.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Met a nice couple who had always liked the idea of keeping bees and their son has now told them about this new kind of hive... :eyeroll:

 

[KiwiLad]

User reports are now starting to flow (no pun intended):

http://forum.honeyflow.com/t/pics-of-the-flow-frame-in-action/2665

http://forum.honeyflow.com/t/my-experience-of-using-flow-frames-without-an-excluder/2956

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

bitsof brood and larvae in the honey eh? mmmm hmm

 

[dexter's shed]

bitsof brood and larvae in the honey eh? mmmm hmm

you can make anything sound bad, when you delete the rest of what they said, as in they did not use a queen excluder and therefore had eggs/brood in the flow frame, not the flow frames fault then is it

 

[Erichalfbee]

This was the start of a new thread
My wife and I got excited about the flow frame on the indigogo campaign, so we ordered a full set for delivery in December. In the campaign video they say no more suiting up and tearing the hive apart. Just what we wanted, easy honey and pollinators for the garden. They made it look so simple and effortless. Even little kids right up to the hive while harvesting. December delivery, set it up and start in the spring, harvest in fall if lucky, seemed reasonable. Perfect for the would be bee keeper without much time/interest in stirring up a bunch of bees

As I study up in preparation of getting my hive, I now find that you still need to suit up and tear the hive apart fairly regularly. There is regular maintenance, feeding, and checks that need to be done, requiring you do exactly what they were saying you didn't need to do. Their caveat was "to extract honey", conveniently not mentioning regular, and frequent maintenance.

I feel we were misled into believing we didn't need to suit up and tear the hive apart at all. My wife would enjoy the benefits,but has no time/interest in the maintenance of the hive. I'm out of town too much to be able to do the work as needed. Oh, and the $88 shocker for shipping, not mentioned until after we committed. . .

I'm not sure what I'll do now, but $688, for a box of wood and plastic to sit in the garage taking up space, is a lot of money. Wondering if I'll get a bill from the shipping company for import duties too. I've had that happen before