Flow Hive - more info

[BeeJayBee]

No, it isn't the flow frame's fault because frames are inanimate and can't make decisions, it's the fault of the less than beginner beekeeper who has tried to work out what they're meant to do, and who made a mess of it. They probably won't be the last.

There's an interesting thread on there from somebody who thinks they were misled by the initial marketing, then by the way the offer was extended and extended, but the consensus seems to suggest they should have done more research before parting with their money.

 

[Thymallus]

To save me from looking back through this thread, are we talking about Yorkshiremen here? I thought Billy Liar was a bit earlier than 1969.

I'll not save you the trouble, go back and read

 

[beebot]

No, it isn't the flow frame's fault because frames are inanimate and can't make decisions, it's the fault of the less than beginner beekeeper who has tried to work out what they're meant to do, and who made a mess of it. They probably won't be the last.

There's an interesting thread on there from somebody who thinks they were misled by the initial marketing, then by the way the offer was extended and extended, but the consensus seems to suggest they should have done more research before parting with their money.

Surely there is no doubt that the marketing was very misleading. But it is always buyer beware with new technology.

Ed: As for ley line poor Thalamus needs some support as there is no evidence that it works (double blind controlled test) so why believe in it? Just because you have got lucky a few times in a spurious test its does not make your theory credible.

 

[KiwiLad]

My wife and I got excited about the flow frame on the indigogo campaign, so we ordered a full set for delivery in December. In the campaign video they say no more suiting up and tearing the hive apart. Just what we wanted, easy honey and pollinators for the garden. They made it look so simple and effortless. Even little kids right up to the hive while harvesting. December delivery, set it up and start in the spring, harvest in fall if lucky, seemed reasonable. Perfect for the would be bee keeper without much time/interest in stirring up a bunch of bees

As I study up in preparation of getting my hive, I now find that you still need to suit up and tear the hive apart fairly regularly. There is regular maintenance, feeding, and checks that need to be done, requiring you do exactly what they were saying you didn't need to do. Their caveat was "to extract honey", conveniently not mentioning regular, and frequent maintenance.

Like most of those who responded to this thread (on the FlowTM Hive Forum), I find it hard to believe that anyone could have understood that it was the entire process of bee husbandry that was was described as not requiring "suiting up" and "tearing the hive open" (!!!), as opposed to only the process of extraction.

Equally, I'm surprised that someone with apparently no knowledge of beekeeping would make an outlay of this amount of money without making the least enquiry into what was involved. A matter of minutes with Uncle Google would have dispelled any notion that all one would ever do would turn a key and let it flow. If they have approached all their investments in this manner it's amazing they had enough funds left for their FlowTM Hive!

The FlowTM Hive team are not responsible for the world's stupidity and their marketing has been no more misleading, in my opinion, than the norm.

 

[Thymallus]

Ed: As for ley line poor Thalamus needs some support as there is no evidence that it works (

Errr not me, just those who believe in the carp.

 

[Hivemaker.]

you can make anything sound bad, when you delete the rest of what they said, as in they did not use a queen excluder and therefore had eggs/brood in the flow frame, not the flow frames fault then is it

The cells are too deep for the queen to lay in, this info was on the flow site a while back.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

The FlowTM Hive team are not responsible for the world's stupidity

But they've depended on it to rake in oooooooodles of cash

 

[dexter's shed]

The cells are too deep for the queen to lay in, this info was on the flow site a while back.

the flow site also say she will lay drone eggs in, if no other cells available,

the point being, those people tried using the flow frames with no excluder, saw their mistake when harvesting honey and said they would use an excluder in future, but the way the quote was edited by jenks, made it read that it was the frame at fault

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

but the way the quote was edited by jenks, made it read that it was the frame at fault

Time you learnt to read - I did not quote anything just made a statement on the post I'd read with no judgement one way or another and no mention whatsoever of the frame. No need to jump at shadows

 

[Hivemaker.]

the flow site also say she will lay drone eggs in, if no other cells available,

What is the best way to clean the flow frames when they have brood in them?

 

[Thymallus]

What is the best way to clean the flow frames when they have brood in them?

A very small diameter bottle brush?
Alternatively open up the cells and let them emerge, they can use the flow tube as an additional entrance. It may fool wasps later in the year.
oops forgot the smiley

 

[einsteinagogo]

What is the best way to clean the flow frames when they have brood in them?

I wonder if the insurance (AFB/EFB) would pay-up if you had to destroy your plastic flow frames?

I ask, because we've just destroyed comb/frames that were used in bait hives, close to an AFB outbreak on advice of National Bee Unit.

Destroying plastic frames comes with a huge cost, and how do you destroy them, burn them!

Okay, got the Answer, you need to Gamma Ray Irradiate them or burn!

http://forum.honeyflow.com/t/flow-frame-sterilisation-irradiation-disease-control/2271/3

 

[beebot]

Errr not me, just those who believe in the carp.

That's what I was trying to say; I agree with you that there is no evidence and its pure you know what.

 

[Thymallus]

That's what I was trying to say; I agree with you that there is no evidence and its pure you know what.

Sorry, misread you. I suspect bull ship is close to the word you are looking for.

 

[beebot]

What is the best way to clean the flow frames when they have brood in them?

Chromic acid for a few hours should do the trick.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What is the best way to clean the flow frames when they have brood in them?

Ah well, for that you need the patent multiheaded flobrush system wherre you can clean inside all of the cells without even leaving the comfort of your upstairs toilet, currently in development and expected to be in production by late November 2017, you can pledge $499 dollars now to aid in their development and be first in line to receive one when they are released (carriage costs and import taxes may be added later)

 

[Thymallus]

I'll take 10, please. Any discount for a bulk order?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I'll take 10, please. Any discount for a bulk order?

Bugger all, but you do get free access to our forum where we guarantee there will be no negative feedback and where to aid you we will tidy up any posts that may worry you as to the efficacy of the instrument

 

[Thymallus]

In which case I'll take 20, you smooth talking salesman......

 

[For want of a better word]

Ah well, for that you need the patent multiheaded flobrush system wherre you can clean inside all of the cells without even leaving the comfort of your upstairs toilet, currently in development and expected to be in production by late November 2017, you can pledge $499 dollars now to aid in their development and be first in line to receive one when they are released (carriage costs and import taxes may be added later)

Our man in Shanghai says he has already reverse engineered the multiheaded flobrush and will be placing them in quarter dozen sterile packs on E Buy next week.

Yeghes da