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One issue which I've never heard a satisfactory explanation for, is when does a feral colony (i.e. one which has been recently kept, and therefore presumably medicated) but which has 'escaped' and set-up home in the wild - qualify as a truly wild colony ?


To my mind this is a differentiation of importance, and yet so many beekeepers (no doubt with their own agendas) simply tend to lump those two groups together.

It seems to me that before embarking upon a study of feral bees, it will first be necessary to define exactly what is meant by 'feral'. Again, no doubt Thompson will be addressing this issue.

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Now I know why UK does not need bee researching knowledge.

It limits imagination.

Ban Thomson.

Ferals may be with you!

And may they make swarms more than varroa can kill.

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Needless to say this is a peer reviewed PhD thesis and the full results will not be known until published

sadly some will disagree with [...] the above !

Well - I'll disagree with THAT !

PhD theses are never peer-reviewed, but assessed by a panel of acknowledged experts in their fields, with the candidate normally being subjected to the further ordeal of a viva ...

It's perhaps worth commenting that it has been known for candidates to fail (heaven forbid this should be the case here) or have their work downgraded to an M.Phil.

LJ
 
Well - I'll disagree with THAT !

PhD theses are never peer-reviewed, but assessed by a panel of acknowledged experts in their fields, with the candidate normally being subjected to the further ordeal of a viva ...

It's perhaps worth commenting that it has been known for candidates to fail (heaven forbid this should be the case here) or have their work downgraded to an M.Phil.

LJ

:spy:It is the research results that are important to us... the rest is merely academic !!!:spy:
 
No idea about Ms Thompson, but was aware of the 2012 study by Martin {from Sheffield} et al on the arrival of varroa in Hawaii.

The arrival {in 2007} of the parasitic Varroa mite into the Hawaiian honey bee population allowed us to investigate changes in the prevalence, load, and strain diversity of honey bee viruses. The mite increased the prevalence of a single viral species, deformed wing virus (DWV), from ~10 to 100% within honey bee populations, which was accompanied by a millionfold increase in viral titer and a massive reduction in DWV diversity, leading to the predominance of a single DWV strain. Therefore, the global spread of Varroa has selected DWV variants that have emerged to allow it to become one of the most widely distributed and contagious insect viruses on the planet.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/336/6086/1304




There is a decent report, with more details, on the Guardian website http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/07/honey-bees-virus-varrora-destructor-mites
Even when the mites first invaded hives, the virus levels remained low. "But the following year the virus levels had gone through the roof." said Martin. "It was a millionfold increase – it was staggering."
 
There have been several un-managed/feral colonies high up in the walls of Abergavenny Prior Church for several years maybe decades. They, as all bees do, reproduce by swarming and some take up residence in dead outs within the walls giving the appearance of continued occupation and thus "there been bees here for xx yrs". Swarms from local beeks most likely find a home here too.
It's a much debated source of disease etc, with the ex BI wanting them "dealt" with and the church saying " leave alone".
As they cannot be monitored no one can tell how long individual colonies live before either dieing out or absconding when the varroa / disease load is too great for them.
The point being contrary to what some may believe feral/ non managed colonies can and do exist here, even if they don't appear to in other parts of the country or Europe.
July 2011 I took on a occupied hive that the beek last looked in 1996 ( not the same bees) and it's made it through this winter. The bee inspector missed them last year due to foul broad outbreaks in the north of the county but they're on the early list this year at my request.Feral/ unmanaged colony
 
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The distinction is in people heads.
not so#
Feral implies they are all just escaped exotics.. from that alot seem to think bees native habitat is a wooden box. A lot seem to think they can't survive without beekeepers. People need to think trees when thinking about bee habitat.
not so *
Bees would better off without homo sapiens chopping down the trees and then entrapping them in nests that compare measurably very poorly to the trees.
not so ^

# Obviously feral refers to escapees from managed colonies, quite distinct from existing wild colonies ( certainly pre varroa )

* "bee habitat" is all the environment within reach of the colony, in particular the flora.

^ No and no. When homo sapiens first moved into the same areas as bees its almost certain they improved the bees lot with a bit of tree felling creating clearings in the woodland for flora to flourish.
Have you actually seen many bee nests in tree cavities ? Certainly in my area many of the occupied tree cavities seem pretty poor choices of home compared to a nice weather proof hive, exposed to the wind and driving rain with little protection near the entrance.
Ok, some are maybe closer to an ideal bee home, but the ones I've investigated round here are a very far cry from the picture you paint of tree cavities being hugely well insulated, snug, sheltered cuddly bee homes.
Sorry to be so negative, but you do keep banging on about tree cavities being ideal and thats way off my real life experience.
 
# Obviously feral refers to escapees from managed colonies, quite distinct from existing wild colonies ( certainly pre varroa )

* "bee habitat" is all the environment within reach of the colony, in particular the flora.

^ No and no. When homo sapiens first moved into the same areas as bees its almost certain they improved the bees lot with a bit of tree felling creating clearings in the woodland for flora to flourish.
Have you actually seen many bee nests in tree cavities ? Certainly in my area many of the occupied tree cavities seem pretty poor choices of home compared to a nice weather proof hive, exposed to the wind and driving rain with little protection near the entrance.
Ok, some are maybe closer to an ideal bee home, but the ones I've investigated round here are a very far cry from the picture you paint of tree cavities being hugely well insulated, snug, sheltered cuddly bee homes.
Sorry to be so negative, but you do keep banging on about tree cavities being ideal and thats way off my real life experience.

I keep banging on from the research that show the dimensions of bee tree cavities from a quite extensive survey and the thermal measurements I have made in the course of my research.

typical wooden hives loose more than 4 times the amount of heat of an average tree nest. An average tree nest is significantly better with regards to heat loss than the best poly hive.

Not opinion but repeatably measured. Would you like me to give a talk to your BKA on the research? Then you can question me in detail. So far I 've come through 5 of these talks and I think I can safely say l've left most of the audiences enthusiastically convinced.
 
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Would you like me to give a talk to your BKA on the research? Then you can question me in detail. So far I 've come through 5 of these talks and I think I can safely say l've left most of the audiences enthusiastically convinced.

Looking forward to it! :)
 
I keep banging on from the research that show the dimensions of bee tree cavities from a quite extensive survey and the thermal measurements I have made in the course of my research.

typical wooden hives loose more than 4 times the amount of heat of an average tree nest. An average tree nest is significantly better with regards to heat loss than the best poly hive.

Not opinion but repeatably measured. Would you like me to give a talk to your BKA on the research? Then you can question me in detail. So far I 've come through 5 of these talks and I think I can safely say l've left most of the audiences enthusiastically convinced.

On that note - this autumn I shall be doing my bees a favour, shaking them all out of my nasty cold hives on the floor and letting them find a nice cosy tree-hole for the winter :D

Anyone else going to join me?
 
On that note - this autumn I shall be doing my bees a favour, shaking them all out of my nasty cold hives on the floor and letting them find a nice cosy tree-hole for the winter :D

Anyone else going to join me?

If you have an adequate supply of unoccupied tree holes with the necessary:
40 litre capacity
entrance at the bottom of the cavity
entance facing south
entrance 5 metres from the ground?

then go ahead

However, honey collection the following year may be more difficult than usual. :)
 
If you have an adequate supply of unoccupied tree holes with the necessary:
40 litre capacity
entrance at the bottom of the cavity
entance facing south
entrance 5 metres from the ground?

then go ahead

However, honey collection the following year may be more difficult than usual. :)

I have all but point 4 sorted - two gentlemen (one called Eric from a little village outside Gloucester and a Mr Thorne) took some nice big cedar trees and engineered some really handy cavities of just about the right size for my bees from them - they also come apart easily enough for honey collection - there's tidy isn't it? The only thing is I don't like heights so I made some shorter stands for them :D
 
Nice cosy tree spaces must be in very short supply... a bit like affordable housing under our present government!
Can I pose the question,,,...

Why do bees deign to build their unmanaged colonies in draughty roof spaces and in cavity walls with a good through draught... or even chimney flues for that matter... and why if the bees really do prefer a nice tree hole do they settle for a nasty uninsulated wooden bait hive ?

I expect a tree cavity of the correct proportions in, height, volume, and orientation, may possibly give readings of thermal conductivity etc etc, that could lead to the better manufacturing of bee hives...

The bees in our beehivesupplies of Gunnislake Cornwall polystyrene hives are all doing well.... but then so are the bees in the beautifully constructed in Porlock / Exmoor Devon cedar nationals.


Perhaps it is because they are native black bees......
 
I have all but point 4 sorted - two gentlemen (one called Eric from a little village outside Gloucester and a Mr Thorne) took some nice big cedar trees and engineered some really handy cavities of just about the right size for my bees from them - they also come apart easily enough for honey collection - there's tidy isn't it? The only thing is I don't like heights so I made some shorter stands for them :D



:icon_204-2:That's what becomes of spending most of your days at sea level!
 
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:icon_204-2:That's what becomes of spending most of your days at sea level!

My Great Great Great Grandfather was captain of a sailing ship - most of my other ancestors were miners - so mix the genes together and I'm just about happy at ground level!! :D
 
Derekm,

Insulating properties of a tree better than poly? I find that hard to believe but then it's not something I've looked at. What I do know is that snow on top of a polyhive doesn't melt, but snow on top of a wooden hive will.
Please describe your testing.
Thanks
 
Derekm,

Insulating properties of a tree better than poly? I find that hard to believe but then it's not something I've looked at. What I do know is that snow on top of a polyhive doesn't melt, but snow on top of a wooden hive will.
Please describe your testing.
Thanks


There are many reasons not to use poly, its not just an insulation issue.

Its obviously time for a re-post:

Many people are not aware of the harmful effects of Polystyrene, (including myself until very recently). This article aims to highlight some of the dangers, both to our health and to the environment.
Polystyrene is one of those materials that’s everywhere around us. Polystyrene is an inexpensive and hard plastic and probably only polyethylene is more common in your everyday life.
Did you know that the outside housing of your computer is probably made of polystyrene, as well as the housings of things like hairdryers, TVs and kitchen appliances? Model cars and airplanes are made from polystyrene, as well as many other toys. There’s also foam packaging and insulation, and a lot of the moulded parts on the inside of your car, like the radio knobs.
Polystyrene is also used to make drinking cups and food containers – the hard plastic ones and also the soft foamy ones. A popular brand of polystyrene foam is called Styrofoam™. Beehives are increasingly manufactured from “poly”.
It takes at least 500 years to decompose
When polystyrene is sent to the landfill, it is quickly covered and this process deprives it of water and oxygen, which would normally help it to break down.
Much of the disposable packaging that we eat from today will therefore still be around in 500 years.
By volume, the amount of space used up in landfills by all plastics is between 25 and 30 percent [1]. This could be a lot higher in an island like Britain.
What happens when we add hot food or drinks to Polystyrene?
Polystyrene contains the toxic substances Styrene and Benzene, suspected carcinogens and neurotoxins that are hazardous to humans. Hot foods and liquids actually start a partial breakdown of the Styrofoam, causing some toxins to be absorbed into our bloodstream and tissue.
Polystyrene food containers leach the toxin Styrene when they come into contact with warm food or drink, alcohol, oils and acidic foods causing human contamination and pose a health risk to people. Avoid drinking tea with lemon, coffee with dairy cream, fruit juices, alcoholic beverages and wine from Styrofoam cups. Red wine will instantly dissolve the Styrene monomer. Do not eat oily foods from Styrofoam containers.
Most interesting is the degradation of food that contains vitamin A (beta-carotene). In packaged foods with the addition of heat (such as microwave temperatures), vitamin A will decompose and produce m-xylene, toluene, and 2,6-dimethylnaphthalene. Toluene will aggressively dissolve polystyrene. This renders polystyrene as an unsuitable package for containing or micro waving products that contain vitamin A.
Do not microwave food in Polystyrene containers
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency is quite direct about micro waving in plastics: “Remove food from plastic wrap, freezer cartons, and/or Styrofoam trays before defrosting and cooking. They are not heat stable and could leak hazardous compounds from the container or plastic wrap to the food.” Food Inspection Agency website.
Over 100 US and Canadian, as well as some European and Asian cities, have banned polystyrene food packaging as a result of the negative impacts to humans and the environment.
If containers you use for the storage of food are not labeled “Microwave-safe”, then they are probably not.
Effect on Global Warming:
A 1986 EPA report on solid waste named the polystyrene manufacturing process as the fifth largest creator of hazardous waste in the United States. In the product manufacturing process as well as the use and disposal of the products, energy consumption, greenhouse gas effect, and total environmental effect, polystyrene’s environmental impacts were second highest, behind aluminium, according to the California Integrated Waste Management Board.
Polystyrene products are made with petroleum, a non-sustainable and heavily polluting resource.
Extruded polystyrene is usually made with hydro chlorofluorocarbons blowing agents which have effects on ozone depletion and on global warming. Their ozone depletion potential is greatly reduced relative to chlorofluorocarbons which were formerly used, but it still has 1000 times greater effect on global warming than carbon dioxide.
Do not burn polystyrene with your garden rubbish
Burning polystyrene on bonfires releases Carbon Monoxide and styrene monomers into the environment, which can be extremely hazardous to our health.
Marine Pollution:
The United Nations Environment Program estimated in 2006 that every square mile of ocean hosts 46,000 pieces of floating plastic.
Polystyrene foam presents unique management issues because of its lightweight nature, floatability, and likelihood to be blown from disposal sites even when disposed of properly. The lightweight and buoyant polystyrene travels easily through gutters and storm drains, eventually reaching the ocean. Plastic from urban runoff is the largest source of marine debris worldwide. Pollution of waterways and waterfront negatively affects tourism and quality of life. When polystyrene travels down waterways and storm drains into the ocean, it breaks down into smaller, non- biodegradable pieces that are ingested by marine life and other wildlife thus harming or killing them. In one Californian study, at least 162 marine species including most seabirds were reported to have eaten plastics and other marine litter.
As a result of the impacts on marine pollution and adverse effect to marine wildlife, several coastal cities across the United States, have banned the use of polystyrene food packaging altogether.

Public Contamination
Because polystyrene products are so common, many people assume they are safe, and that a government agency, such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), would not allow a health- threatening product to be marketed to the public. Some would pretend that those countries that have adopted Polystyrene for bee keeping are ‘enlightened’, they are not they are being shallow, short -sighted and thoughtless to future generations. The EPA National Human Adipose Tissue Survey for 1986 identified styrene residues in 100% of all samples of human fat tissue taken in 1982 in the US. Styrene is used to make polystyrene plastic and is a contaminant in all polystyrene foam packages. But the migration of styrene is nothing new. It was first documented in 1972 and then again in 1976.
A 1988 survey, published by the Foundation for Advancements in Science and Education also found styrene in human fatty tissue with a frequency of 100% at levels from 8 to 350 nanograms/gram (ng/g). The 350 ng/g level is one third of levels known to cause neurotoxic symptoms. It determined that Styrofoam drinking cups leach Styrofoam into the liquids they contain. The cups apparently lose weight during the time they are at use.
Health Effects
The fact that styrene can adversely affect humans in a number of ways raises serious public health and safety questions regarding its build-up in human tissue. Although there is evidence that styrene causes cancer in animals, it has not yet been proven to cause cancer in humans. Styrene primarily exhibits its toxicity to humans as a neurotoxin by attacking the central and peripheral nervous systems. The accumulation of these highly lipid-soluble (fat-soluble) materials in the lipid-rich tissues of the brain, spinal cord, and peripheral nerves is correlated with acute or chronic functional impairment of the nervous system.
Can polystyrene be recycled?
Whilst the technology does exist in some countries to recycle polystyrene, the market for recycling it is small and shrinking. Polystyrene can be made into items such as packing fillers and cafeteria trays, but not into cups or food containers. Containers that have previously been used for food storage create a massive food hygiene issue for recyclers. For this reason, and due to the shrinking market for the recycled products, many recyclers do not accept polystyrene.
What can we do?
1. Be aware of the harmful effects of using polystyrene products and tell others.
2. Use reusable cups at work instead of foam cups.
3. When shopping for groceries, select items that are unwrapped, or wrapped in non-polystyrene materials: (e.g. vegetables, eggs, meat)
4. Ask local takeaway restaurants and food suppliers to use a more environmentally friendly form of food packaging other than Styrofoam. Many alternatives are now available made from materials such as post-consumer recycled paper and corn-plastics.
5. Don’t buy Polystyrene beehives just because people say they are warmer lighter or cheaper, wood is a natural product which is perfectly suited to housing bees.
Ask your Member of Parliament and The Minister of Environment to ban polystyrene in food packaging and beehives. There are many alternatives that will have less negative impact on the environment.
 
Don't we have some forum etiquette about copying and pasting rants from unattributed sources?

Or has Bob himself posted it even on BusinessBarbados? http://businessbarbados.com/opportunities/green-business/the-dangers-of-polystyrene/


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No ... it was originally a release from these people:

http://futurecentretrust.org/main/about-2

They are an NGO based in Barbados with concerns about the environment. I have concerns about the amount of these plastics that we are dumping into the environment (as you would expect !) they are not biodegradeable and there are very few resources for recycling expanded polystyrene foam so it is largely landfill. Takeaway cartons in particular are the main culprits along with polystyrene packaging but there are not a lot of viable alternatives ... I won't drink out of 'styrofoam' cups if I can avoid it and prefer my fish and chips out of a paper. It's a problem but not one of the bees in my bonnet ... bigger fish to fry as you might say ...
 
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