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Robbo8916

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Well I've just had the pleasure of visiting the Grow for Giving allotment project. And it looks like I'm going to be pretty heavily involved.

The project recently got funding to create an orchard which will include a brand new apiary! The site is fantastic and the forage is excellent. We are aiming to be ready for spring. So I will create a photo thread as the build progresses.

The allotments are a food bank and also work with the Dementia Friends initiative.

I'm really looking forward to this! :)
 
It sounds very exciting! Are you going to be involved with the apiary part or all of the project?
 
I'm helping out with the orchard and apiary build but I'm going to be involved in the whole project too ��
 
That's lovely! I used to be part of a project involving bees, that's how I started, and although I would never do it again, at the time I got a lot of fulfillment from it at the time and it opened so many doors for me. Good luck!
 
That's lovely! I used to be part of a project involving bees, that's how I started, and although I would never do it again, at the time I got a lot of fulfillment from it at the time and it opened so many doors for me. Good luck!

Do you mind me asking why you wouldn't do it again? (curious).

We've decided we are going to do a mixture of wooden and poly hives with it being for educational purposes. Plus some of the dementia sufferers I know used to keep bees so obviously they weren't using poly hives.

We're planting around 50 fruit trees and bordering it with a mixed blackthorn/hawthorn etc hedge. There was a slightly better spot at the bottom end of the site but the allotments have suffered some vandalism in that area so we've plumped for the top end nearer the houses.

And the best thing is the apiary will be two streets from my house :winner1st:
 
Thanks. I'm really looking forward to it. The road that'll run down the side is going in today to allow the allotment tenants to access the bottom allotments before we fence off the old access route.
 
Sounds a wonderful project!


It really is. Since my Nan was diagnosed with Dementia recently, I have become a registered 'Dementia Friend'.

I'm going to have a look later on and see how the road is progressing. The land used to be part of the common but the council have given a ten year lease on it for now and the trees along with (a lot) of money have been donated.

Eunan (who runs the project) actually has funding for four more hives to add to the two he has at home which will be going on the site. I have offered to pay for and add two poly hives myself. Therefore we might not need to buy 4 new wooden ones which will save some of the funding to help with fencing etc.

It seems that everyone is really trying to build up a 'sense of community' in Tyldesley again and (although originally from Bradford) I do feel like a part of that community. Its all very exciting.

The estate which borders the common is one of the most deprived in the borough. The idea will be to allow the children on their way to school (they will walk right past the orchard) to grab an apple or a plum or something. Eventually the idea will be to leave out a basket of fresh fruit maybe with an honesty box or something so the kids get some decent nutrition too.
 
Do you mind me asking why you wouldn't do it again? (curious).

Where do I start?! Ok, first of all, it was for a school. We went in blindly, having no experience or knowledge of bees or bee keeping. At the time I was actually severely phobic, I was only meant to be involved in gaining a grant and setting up the project. Back then, my level of knowledge was if it wasn't a bumble bee, then it was a wasp, that's how much I knew, so none of us had any idea of how much work, and how much money, it would take to run an apiary, nor were we really advised. Once I did become aware of how much equipment we would need, having only been provided with a national brood box and 2 supers, it was too late, we had bees and the school were not prepared to put that kind of money into it. I'm am a terrible one for asking questions, hence my post count ( all questions btw, I know nothing ) and once my interest was piqued, I read lots plus I was in charge of arranging the inspection meets, so after the few meetings where our 'mentor' was present, and hearing me ask all the questions, everyone started to refer to me as the bee keeper and that was that.

Second of all, arranging meetings at times when everyone is free is an absolute nightmare. There is always someone who is disappointed, and makes their feelings known. You can't do right for doing wrong.

Thirdly, having your apiary on a site where people can access it can be troublesome, as I found out when someone decided they would use a test frame to check for queenlessness in their own hives, and decided I wouldn't mind them using a frame of eggs from our hive without asking, my queen just happened to be on the frame they took. Then there was the time one eager member of the group decided he would creosote the hive, with the bees inside, and only informed me he was doing it once he was half way through.......

Having lots of people involved, some who are very eager but don't do the reading, or ask the questions is another nightmare, as they feel they are their bees as much as anyone else's, and think they can invite anyone along and open up, at any time of the year, regardless of what is going on in the hive at the time, and without checking it's ok.

In the end, with my health failing, it was left to me to try and find money or equipment with no contacts. I don't drive so can't get to my local association as it's on the other side of the city to me, so I ended up going around all the local summer fetes, with my bee keeping equipment and some pictures, begging for donations. The people on this forum were very generous, and gave me a lot of support. It is because of this forum that those bees lasted as long as they did.

So that's why I will never be part of another group. In every group I've been in I've always ended up being the one doing all the work. I was asked yesterday if i was interested in being part of a project to set up some hives in a nearby park. Nooooooooo :hairpull: but please, don't let me put you off! Just use my experiences as something to look out for and think about when setting up your project. It might be a totally different experience if there is already an experienced bee keeper, knowing what it takes from the start :)

All that being said, I did get a lot out of the experience, and I'm glad I did it. It has taken me places I would never have gone and I have met some of the best people I know through running that group, so there are lots of positives :)
 
Thanks for that Kaz! (I think)

There are 4 experienced beeks on the site at present so experience shouldn't be a problem. That being said their hives aren't going into the apiary I don't think, I believe they are keeping them on their allotments.

With regards to access it is a fenced and gated site (it didn't used to be) so only people with keys will be able to get in unless they can climb over a 7ft fence and a hedge.

The sessions run are for people with disabilities, learning difficulties, dementia and many other things and they are structured sessions. There isn't going to be a free for all style setup in the apiary.

Eunan's bees are his bees and my bees will be mine but of course we will help each other out. The ins and outs haven't been totally discussed yet as we are in the very basic stages of planning. The applications have all been approved and the road has been laid today. (I forgot my phone so didn't take a pic).

The trees will hopefully be planted soon and the fencing will be going up in the not too distant future but the bees won't be in situ until next spring so there's plenty of time to ensure that access and security are sorted. I believe (although I'm not certain) that the apiary itself will be fenced off separately from the orchard so that people in the orchard can't just walk in.

I'm very excited about the project but like I say, its still in the base stages of planning.

My suit has arrived so if anyone local needs an inspection buddy you know where I am. :thanks:
 
We are however hoping that with the advent of this apiary that we might be able to set up a more local association as there are evidently a LOT of beeks round here. The nearest meets are in Ormskirk I believe which is a long way away.

All early stages as I said but should be good when we get going.
 
It sounds great! Our set up was totally different, so hopefully you won't come across the problems I did. We had no experience, and practically no advice, despite paying a LOT of money for 1 years mentoring.

We have a forest garden in our local park that I am loosely associated with, and it is lovely to watch the kids raspberry picking. It works very well.

Good luck in your venture! I hope I haven't put a dampener on your excitement lol, keep us posted and take lots of pics :)
 
It sounds great! Our set up was totally different, so hopefully you won't come across the problems I did. We had no experience, and practically no advice, despite paying a LOT of money for 1 years mentoring.

We have a forest garden in our local park that I am loosely associated with, and it is lovely to watch the kids raspberry picking. It works very well.

Good luck in your venture! I hope I haven't put a dampener on your excitement lol, keep us posted and take lots of pics :)

Thanks for that hun. It's not really MY venture but I'm getting pretty heavily involved with it.

I'm taking my stupidly large dog out soon so I'll have a look at whats been done this afternoon and see whether it is worth photographing lol.
 
Thanks for that hun. It's not really MY venture but I'm getting pretty heavily involved with it.

I'm taking my stupidly large dog out soon so I'll have a look at whats been done this afternoon and see whether it is worth photographing lol.

Go for it. If you and the others don't try you will NEVER know.

We used to do agility with the same large dogs and they are as soft as the owners, :sorry: Not intended personally but they get a bad press.
 
Thanks for that hun. It's not really MY venture but I'm getting pretty heavily involved with it.

I'm taking my stupidly large dog out soon so I'll have a look at whats been done this afternoon and see whether it is worth photographing lol.

Ha! It all comes together, it might look like a bomb site, but it does come good in the end :)
 
Go for it. If you and the others don't try you will NEVER know.

We used to do agility with the same large dogs and they are as soft as the owners, :sorry: Not intended personally but they get a bad press.

Lol I'm pretty soft anyway haha. My Shadow is the biggest teddy bear you could ever wish to meet.

I have a t-shirt that says 'Don't judge my Rottweiler and I won't judge your kids'! It gets some interesting looks lol.

Ha! It all comes together, it might look like a bomb site, but it does come good in the end :)

I've just been over. The road didn't get laid as the stone delivery didn't turn up. Oh well, plenty of time to get sorted. I did take some pictures but my phone isn't capable of doing them any justice. I'll upload them in a sec anyway.
 
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