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Counts me out thenAnyone who was not born in Wales?
Counts me out thenAnyone who was not born in Wales?
" cavity between wall and -internal- lining." Beebe
nope, I'm happy with people from all over the world (well, with maybe the odd exception )Anyone who was not born in Wales?
Is it?
Even if it is; what is good for human comfort isn't necessarily good for a free mating wild population.
The more you mollycoddle, the more you undercut the winnowing of the weak, the more you damage the population.
But that is my hobbyhorse which strictly must be kept confined to my personal blog. It doesn't belong here; no Sir!
Nooo, not here! I'll reply elsewhereYour idea would be better were it not for the fact that it's you that put your bees in your hives and therefore Nature didn't select the survival parameters.
If the bees had first chosen the hive and then they failed to survive within it, what you say would would make more sense to me.
Some wild bees will choose a nest that is better insulated and possibly drier than strictly necessary; if such a colony survives, should they be exterminated because they are weakening the genetics with their poor choice?
Wow! A poly hive is mollycoddling and for millions of years bees have lived inside trees in an environment with a rating exceeding poly. Trees their natural environment for natural beekeepers is now mollycoddling. This is starting to get very confusing. I thought 19mm walls were for unnatural beekeepersIs it?
Even if it is; what is good for human comfort isn't necessarily good for a free mating wild population.
The more you mollycoddle, the more you undercut the winnowing of the weak, the more you damage the population.
But that is my hobbyhorse which strictly must be kept confined to my personal blog. It doesn't belong here; no Sir!
I made the point earlier that few trees are dry. If you'd done as much forestry work as I have you'd realise that.Wow! A poly hive is mollycoddling and for millions of years bees have lived inside trees in an environment with a rating exceeding poly. Trees their natural environment for natural beekeepers is now mollycoddling. This is starting to get very confusing. I thought 19mm walls were for unnatural beekeepers
You have neglected to mention the waterproofing qualities of propolis when you look inside a cavity occupied by bees, as well as the anti-fungal and antibacterial qualities. Or didn't you notice how clever the bees were. They don't want tree sap dripping on them.What I'm trying to say (for the second time) is: I think you are very wrong to make your assumption.
You have neglected to mention the waterproofing qualities of propolis when you look inside a cavity occupied by bees, as well as the anti-fungal and antibacterial qualities. Or didn't you notice how clever the bees were. They don't want tree sap dripping on them.
Having looked inside trees, it is an observation.persistently rude.
Having been into many tree cavities and whilst seeing some truly amazing worn and propolised wood I don’t think I’d ever describe any as being waterproofed due to it. Whilst they do love adding propolis to good hard surfaces anything soft/wet/rotting is often left and not stable enough for them to add anything!You have neglected to mention the waterproofing qualities of propolis when you look inside a cavity occupied by bees, as well as the anti-fungal and antibacterial qualities. Or didn't you notice how clever the bees were. They don't want tree sap dripping on them.
In essence we have noticed different scenarios. It all depends on the state of the tree.Having been into many tree cavities and whilst seeing some truly amazing worn and propolised wood I don’t think I’d ever describe any as being waterproofed due to it. Whilst they do love adding propolis to good hard surfaces anything soft/wet/rotting is often left and not stable enough for them to add anything!
You can have my job if you wantIt was left behind long long ago!
If I was a mod I'd be closing this now.
Single datum is not proof. I suggest Seeley, T. D., & Morse, R. A. (1978). Nest site selection by the honey bee, Apis mellifera. Insectes Sociaux, 25(4), 323–337. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02224297I made the point earlier that few trees are dry. If you'd done as much forestry work as I have you'd realise that.
A story I've told before: I used to collect swarms from a colony low in the broken stem of a living apple tree, the opening being roughly as big as the space occupied by comb. It was a few hundred yards from the north sea coast (though protected from direct wind by a garden fence).
A poly hive it wasn't. And yet I collected one or two good size swarms most years for 5 or 6 years.
Throughout evolution bees have lived where they can get away with it, from the equator to - well I don't know where. A lot of of the time hereabouts anyway that has been about a hundred times lower thermal protection than a poly hive I should think.
What I'm trying to say (for the second time) is: I think you are very wrong to make your assumption.
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single datum? What single datum?Single datum is not proof. I suggest Seeley, T. D., & Morse, R. A. (1978). Nest site selection by the honey bee, Apis mellifera. Insectes Sociaux, 25(4), 323–337. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02224297
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