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It's not conservation.Conservation is not racism.
It's not conservation.Conservation is not racism.
You're pointing out they turn to a locally adapted type when the selection influence of man is removed (although potentially different to what would be there had man not been involved at all), which is rather the point I'm making with bees. Whilst man is still selecting, you end up with a strain which differs from what would be there and which influences the local population, irregardless of what happens when man stops selecting.
Your last point also suggests that there is no harm from introducing genetics from elsewhere as, in your words, 'the AMM genetics come out on top', so those seeking to keep AMM type bees have nothing to fear from those keeping other strains thus have no justification for denigrating them.
1. They're all the same species. Introduction of a new species (such as introducing honey bees to North America...) is usually deleterious for the native population, increasing the gene pool/genetic diversity of a species is generally considered to be advantageous in terms of ability to adapt and survive.
2. I labour the point because there is a repeated false claim about 'keeping local bees' plus there seems to be some shocking mantra that those keeping 'local' bees are somehow more worthy/superior because those bees are supposedly more natural. The problem is that as soon as people are selecting, they're no longer the bees which would naturally be there, man is changing the genetics, so whilst they may be descendents of a hypothetical local population, the argument that they are still part of the locally adapted population s delusional. By all means say you like having descendents of local bees, just don't claim they are still the natural population of the area or that the bees in the area magically stay unchanged when there are artificial selection pressures influencing them.
I would also add that people are free to keeping whatever bees they like. People should not go around denigrating others for preferring a different type and certainly not saying that a certain type is superior because it looks like an idea they have in their head. In humans we call that racism.
If you're keeping them and doing any selection for certain behaviours or traits, they are no longer local bees but a selected variant descended from locally acquired stock... So claiming they're local bees or naturally adapted to the area is incorrect... Then there's also the highly spurious 'the queen is dark therefore they're AMM', as alluded to, I think by @Dodge recently.What is the repeated false claim about "keeping local bees"?
or read the OP?I hope everybody has noticed the thread title?
No.. stop it. I corrected the spellingor read the OP?
I hope everybody has noticed the thread title?
I just couldn’t stand it any more.
I've perused the title again.No.. stop it. I corrected the spelling
How hard is it really to just let it go?I hope everybody has noticed the thread title?
I just couldn’t stand it any more.
Like bee’s ?How hard is it really to just let it go?
A lot worse gets ignored on a daily basis.
Everything has to have an apostrophe these days. Gotta get with the times!Like bee’s ?![]()
There, fixed it for you.Everything' has to have an apostrophe these days. Gotta get with the times!
Did you mean "get with the time's"?Everything has to have an apostrophe these days. Gotta get with the times!
No it duzzent......................Everything has to have an apostrophe these days
That’s like saying ‘we’ve been polluting the river for so long, that really it’s so polluted we might as well keep polluting it’This all gets very blurred in my mind, the moment 'local bees' are mentioned. If we're talking of a specific area where Amm remains clearly dominant in type and behaviour then I agree it's narrow sighted to. Introduce any other subspecies however, often, when people refer to their 'local bees' they're actually talking about a hotchpotch of all sorts of imports that have blended over the last century with no particular merit as an independent entity along the lines of a subspecies.
That's a really poor analogy- describing other races as polluting a gene pool is not ok.That’s like saying ‘we’ve been polluting the river for so long, that really it’s so polluted we might as well keep polluting it’
Turn off the imports, stop the pollution. Then start working to repopulate your area with Amm. Hopefully Chainbridge will get a queen rearing programme for reselling up and running. That will help the beekeepers that actually care about their local ecology some support in maintaining or re-establishing the native honeybee population.
Victoria Buswell’s study of honeybee genetics showed that even in the worst areas of the UK for hybridisation 40% of the background population were still Amm. That’s not going away.
You can lecture some people and tell them what to do, but I'm not one of those so you'd best leave your instructions there.Turn off the imports, stop the pollution. Then start working to repopulate your area with Amm
As we know, at the moment, bigotry is getting very fashionable.That's a really poor analogy- describing other races as polluting a gene pool is not ok
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