Ley-lines and bees

[Ely]

I love science. Especially when someone has such a good grasp of it to use against arguments conceived of emotional opinion devoid of logic

 

[victor meldrew]

The iron deposits in our brains detect the earths magnetic field .!
The ability to utilise this has been successfully field trialled and repeat trialled , however I'm still a sceptic when it comes to Ley lines !
VM


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[Tremyfro]

Yes it is interesting that some people have a great sense of direction....they always seem to 'know' where they are. Others lose themselves on the way to the loo. Whereas, I neither believe nor disbelieve that ley lines exist...I do believe that there are people whose senses are heightened to a degree where they are able to sense things that not all of us can.
It seems to me that the lack of research into ley lines and their said effect on varroa, lies more in the fact that there is little for the drug companies to gain and much for them to lose...whilst we are all still buying their products.

 

[user 6228]

Yes it is interesting that some people have a great sense of direction....they always seem to 'know' where they are. Others lose themselves on the way to the loo. Whereas, I neither believe nor disbelieve that ley lines exist...I do believe that there are people whose senses are heightened to a degree where they are able to sense things that not all of us can.
It seems to me that the lack of research into ley lines and their said effect on varroa, lies more in the fact that there is little for the drug companies to gain and much for them to lose...whilst we are all still buying their products.

This is possible... The grass over disturbed ground is a slightly different colour, trees have differing growth when the water table varies and so on...
some people can be subconciously tuned into this.
I am subconciously tuned into the head movements of the driver in front of me.
I can tell where the local main sewer crosses my property... but there is nothing mystical about these abilities

 

[Tremyfro]

No nothing mystical. For those people who can sense the environment more than others...it is the norm for that person. For those who can't...well perhaps that is where the mystery lies.

 

[REDWOOD]

I love science. Especially when someone has such a good grasp of it to use against arguments conceived of emotional opinion devoid of logic

Unfortunately not all science subjects are on the curriculum

 

[pargyle]

No nothing mystical. For those people who can sense the environment more than others...it is the norm for that person. For those who can't...well perhaps that is where the mystery lies.

And if we can sense it ... then so, perhaps, can our bees who have demonstrated much more finely tuned senses than mere humans - indeed, we now know that they have a built in magnetic compass in their brains so who knows - it is possible that they can sense more acutely, the sort of things which our blunt cudgels (dowsing rods coupled with an in-built and subconscious ability to 'feel' something) can only begin to identify.

 

[madasafish]

Some of you are so pedantic....

Yes: lets ignore the laws of Physics..

 

[Excession]

I'm still chuckling at 'iron deposits' in the brain sensing magnetic fields.

Wouldn't the tinfoil hat interfere?

 

[Tremyfro]

Well rules are made...to be broken. Rules are continually being adjusted as we learn more and understand more. A fact is only a fact for a given moment.....
Keeping an open mind allows lateral thinking.
I remember ...many years ago...a professor at Birmingham University insisting that...when a muscle fibre relaxes...it just relaxes. Requires, nor burns, energy. I could not get my head around this at all. For surely, if energy is required to pull the chemical strands close together which equals heat and movement...then energy would be required to return to the original position. We argued for ages...in the end he told me that as I was only a student...what did I know. In more recent years there was a research paper published. The results showed that that energy, was consumed, during so called relaxation period of muscle fibres.
It was a good moment.....for a student.....now 63 but still learning and enquiring and still not just accepting what we are told to expect.
You can't rely on rules staying the same. Often the criteria changes as we learn more.

 

[pargyle]

..now 63 but still learning and enquiring and still not just accepting what we are told to expect.
You can't rely on rules staying the same. Often the criteria changes as we learn more.

+1 ....

 

[Dishmop]

+1 ....

 

[user 6228]

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[user 6228]

I'm still chuckling at 'iron deposits' in the brain sensing magnetic fields.

Wouldn't the tinfoil hat interfere?

thats in the weird but true category... first highlighted in homing pigeons
ally foil hats dont effect steady magnetic fields. Steel hats do!

 

[user 6228]

Well rules are made...to be broken. Rules are continually being adjusted as we learn more and understand more. A fact is only a fact for a given moment.....
Keeping an open mind allows lateral thinking.
I remember ...many years ago...a professor at Birmingham University insisting that...when a muscle fibre relaxes...it just relaxes. Requires, nor burns, energy. I could not get my head around this at all. For surely, if energy is required to pull the chemical strands close together which equals heat and movement...then energy would be required to return to the original position. We argued for ages...in the end he told me that as I was only a student...what did I know. In more recent years there was a research paper published. The results showed that that energy, was consumed, during so called relaxation period of muscle fibres.
It was a good moment.....for a student.....now 63 but still learning and enquiring and still not just accepting what we are told to expect.
You can't rely on rules staying the same. Often the criteria changes as we learn more.

Some biologists havent the grasp of physics required. THe laws of thermodynamics at some level make your professors argument unsupportable. i.e. you dont get back what you put in.

 

[Margaret Elisabeth]

So life is not like a bra then, you do disappoint me.

 

[BeeJayBee]

If water's electrical charges were susceptible to being found by divining, I would logically assume diviners in a house would be able to find the location of every wire which carries current in the building. And they would presumably overload their faculties when they are near hydroelectric pylons and cables which carry huge currents.

They don't

No, they don't because they aren't searching for wires or pipes all the time. But it is easy to find 'lost' wires by dowsing - if you're looking for them.

 

[Little John]

I love science. Especially when someone has such a good grasp of it to use against arguments conceived of emotional opinion devoid of logic

The world around us is actually a continuum. The sciences of Chemistry, Biology, Physics etc., are man-made divisions (and thus creations) devised for the convenience of teaching - knowledge historically being divided into the trivium and quadrivium. But these are not 'real' in themselves (although they seem to be), but only facets of a whole. To see the world through only one or two facets is to filter one's perceptions and blinker one's-self from seeing a much richer tapestry.

And as for logic - again man-made - look to it's origins in the work of Aristotle. Over the centuries we have been indoctrinated from our earliest years into using the exclusive logic of Aristotle, so that we now believe in this two thousand year old way of looking at the world without question. But such logic does not encompass all situations. It is limiting.

But - thanks to one or two free-thinkers who have broken free from the mould of the indoctrinated masses, new ways of seeing the world are at long last developing. If you're interested in this, I suggest a read of Alfred Korzybski's 'Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics' - or any of Edward de Bono's 'lateral thinking' publications.

We also need to look at how language frames our perception of the world. We use a noun-based language (without question) which can make vague ethereal events seem very 'real' to us. Again, there have been interesting developments here too, such as E-prime (English, without using any form of the verb 'to be') - try using it - it's very revealing.

LJ

 

[Teemore]

We also need to look at how language frames our perception of the world. We use a noun-based language (without question) which can make vague ethereal events seem very 'real' to us. Again, there have been interesting developments here too, such as E-prime (English, without using any form of the verb 'to be') - try using it - it's very revealing.

LJ

Interesting comments.

My sister is the Special Educational needs coordinator in the school she teaches in and because of that I often come across articles in this broad area which I think might interest her and pass these on. One of these articles highlighted that dyslexia is virtually unknown in the non-English speaking world...... an example of language affecting the way we understand the world?

 

[Ely]

The world around us is actually a continuum. The sciences of Chemistry, Biology, Physics etc., are man-made divisions (and thus creations) devised for the convenience of teaching - knowledge historically being divided into the trivium and quadrivium. But these are not 'real' in themselves (although they seem to be), but only facets of a whole. To see the world through only one or two facets is to filter one's perceptions and blinker one's-self from seeing a much richer tapestry.

And as for logic - again man-made - look to it's origins in the work of Aristotle. Over the centuries we have been indoctrinated from our earliest years into using the exclusive logic of Aristotle, so that we now believe in this two thousand year old way of looking at the world without question. But such logic does not encompass all situations. It is limiting.

But - thanks to one or two free-thinkers who have broken free from the mould of the indoctrinated masses, new ways of seeing the world are at long last developing. If you're interested in this, I suggest a read of Alfred Korzybski's 'Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics' - or any of Edward de Bono's 'lateral thinking' publications.

We also need to look at how language frames our perception of the world. We use a noun-based language (without question) which can make vague ethereal events seem very 'real' to us. Again, there have been interesting developments here too, such as E-prime (English, without using any form of the verb 'to be') - try using it - it's very revealing.

LJ

I know the sciences including mathematics is a language to aid our understanding of the universe. Just like the english word 'plug' is used to describe something that stops water escaping. You can analyze the hell out of the term 'plug', but its function remains the same.

This is why we have scientific theory (Please refer to the correct meaning of scientific theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory as so many people, not saying you're one of them, seem to think that scientific theories come from some guy tapping his fingers, dreaming them up and then passing them off as true(that's actually religion )

When I see planes flying in the sky by wings designed by calculations of physics, that is all the proof I need that scientific theory is not just an idea.

I'll have a look for those books. Cheers