Labour to end exemptions from ban on neocotinids

[nicholaskeene]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...des-outlawed-by-eu?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[fian]

This would imply that the use of FC to combat velutina is kept in a dark drawer with no chance of becoming a reality.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Knowing Starmer's mob's track record when it comes to the truth it would be kinder to treat it as a lie and be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to have an iota of fact in it.

 

[Mint Bee]

swings and roundabouts. Poor UK sugar yield means T&L, another big Tory donor, will import more from far away places where the worker conditions and control of herbicides and pesticides are far less regulated. Of course we could always advocate a bit of GM to speed up the generation of virus resistant beet varieties.

someone will always be pi$$ed off which ever way we go

This would imply that the use of FC to combat velutina is kept in a dark drawer with no chance of becoming a reality.

Nothing to do with Fipronil, which will only ever be used off label purpose, as I'm almost certain it is in the rest of Europe

 

[Murox]

I know little about neonicotinoid pesticides and care even lees about political point scoring. It’s use was intended to safeguard food production, like sugar beet in England and to protect crops against viruses. But only if there is a 65% or more chance of viruses affecting yield.

 

[JamezF]

swings and roundabouts. Poor UK sugar yield means T&L, another big Tory donor, will import more from far away places where the worker conditions and control of herbicides and pesticides are far less regulated.

That does feel as though it might be quite a likely outcome unfortunately

James

 

[ericbeaumont]

intended to safeguard food production

Yes, a factor avoided by those with a dogmatic agenda who choose to avoid looking at the broader picture: farm business suffers as yields reduce significantly when virus yellows dominate, supermarket sugar price rises and/or (as Mint Bee above) less regulated imports increase, further screwing UK farmers and consumers.

This proposal is far from becoming Labour policy and has merely been submitted for inclusion to the party's manifesto and you will have noticed that its author, the shadow environment minister Daniel Zeichner, is also VP of Cambridgeshire BKA.

We all (I assume) support the removal of chemicals from the environment, but until VY-resistant seed is available a balance must be made between limited, regulated use and the impact of VY on farmers and consumers. Or as a seed company MD said: both varietal resistance and crop protection products need to be supported during a transitionary phase to maintain the viability of sugar beet production.

The introduction of neonics did impact effective sugar beet production differently, in that seed companies abandoned R&D of resistant varieties, which of course, they have now resumed.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/arable/sugar-...-tolerant-sugar-beet-set-for-drilling-in-2022

 

[fian]

fipronil is partially prohibited.
Use permitted to control ticks and other mites in pets but prohibited in livestock operations.
Use permitted in greenhouse production but prohibited in intensive cultivation of sunflower and corn or marketing seeds treated with fipronil as a chemical coating.
https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/ciencia/2018/05/17/5afd4826468aebe6608b459b.html

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

eh? we are discussing neonics in sugarbeet production, try at least to stick to the same planet, if not subject

 

[Bluetractorman]

https://www.mattridley.co.uk/blog/bad-for-bees/

 

[JamezF]

https://www.mattridley.co.uk/blog/bad-for-bees/

I suspect the fact that he is an anti-EU hereditary Tory peer might undermine his argument somewhat, to be honest.

James

 

[madasafish]

I suspect the fact that he is an anti-EU hereditary Tory peer might undermine his argument somewhat, to be honest.

James

I would not believe a word Mr Ridley uttered or wrote..

 

[Jimmy]

Gene editing to develop a virus yellow resistant sugar beet might make a difference. Gene editing of commercial crops is only possible due to new regulations post-Brexit. The limited size of the UK market for sugar beet seed might be a barrier to commercial development but the research is being done. See link here to a Defra funded project at the John Innes Centre in Norwich https://www.jic.ac.uk/news/future-f...l use Tropic's,severe impact on the homegrown

 

[Jimmy]

Matt Ridley's article was interesting IMHO, banning one class of pesticide in the hope of limiting pesticide use is not a black and white scenario with no trade offs or unintended consequences.

Matt Ridley was also Chair of Northern Rock from 2004-2007........and his uncle, Nick Ridley, was one of the ministers responsible for the poll tax.

 

[Moobee]

Yes, a factor avoided by those with a dogmatic agenda who choose to avoid looking at the broader picture: farm business suffers as yields reduce significantly when virus yellows dominate, supermarket sugar price rises and/or (as Mint Bee above) less regulated imports increase, further screwing UK farmers and consumers.

This proposal is far from becoming Labour policy and has merely been submitted for inclusion to the party's manifesto and you will have noticed that its author, the shadow environment minister Daniel Zeichner, is also VP of Cambridgeshire BKA.

We all (I assume) support the removal of chemicals from the environment, but until VY-resistant seed is available a balance must be made between limited, regulated use and the impact of VY on farmers and consumers. Or as a seed company MD said: both varietal resistance and crop protection products need to be supported during a transitionary phase to maintain the viability of sugar beet production.

The introduction of neonics did impact effective sugar beet production differently, in that seed companies abandoned R&D of resistant varieties, which of course, they have now resumed.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/arable/sugar-...-tolerant-sugar-beet-set-for-drilling-in-2022

If only people would substitute sugar for honey……

 

[ericbeaumont]

If only people would substitute sugar for honey……

Better still, reduce UK sugar consumption and save the NHS billions.

 

[Karol]

Yes, a factor avoided by those with a dogmatic agenda who choose to avoid looking at the broader picture:

Which is completely disingenuous.
It is not dogma to challenge devastatingly harmful prophylactic highly potent pesticides.
As systemics neonics persist in the food we eat. It is utter garbage that they are selective for insect receptors and therefore not harmful to humans. Neonics have effects on foetal neural development and when foods containing neonics are fried or roasted the neonics degrade into polyaromatic hydrocarbons which are carcinogenic.

farm business suffers as yields reduce significantly when virus yellows dominate, supermarket sugar price rises and/or (as Mint Bee above) less regulated imports increase, further screwing UK farmers and consumers.

This proposal is far from becoming Labour policy and has merely been submitted for inclusion to the party's manifesto and you will have noticed that its author, the shadow environment minister Daniel Zeichner, is also VP of Cambridgeshire BKA.

We all (I assume) support the removal of chemicals from the environment, but until VY-resistant seed is available a balance must be made between limited, regulated use and the impact of VY on farmers and consumers. Or as a seed company MD said: both varietal resistance and crop protection products need to be supported during a transitionary phase to maintain the viability of sugar beet production.

The introduction of neonics did impact effective sugar beet production differently, in that seed companies abandoned R&D of resistant varieties, which of course, they have now resumed.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/arable/sugar-...-tolerant-sugar-beet-set-for-drilling-in-2022

A reduction in sugar beet production is a worthwhile price to pay for improved human safety and ecological security. Resumption of resistant crop R&D is a far better way to go.

 

[Karol]

If only people would substitute sugar for honey……

Sugar for honey?

Love a drizzle of honey on porridge in the morning. No way I'd replace it with sugar. Blasphemy!

 

[ericbeaumont]

reduction in sugar beet production is a worthwhile price to pay

I agree; farmers wouldn't, and I don't pay their bills.

Resumption of resistant crop R&D is a far better way to go.

I agree; until recently industry didn't, and chose the cheaper alternative of neonics.

In the real world of food trade, principle is dogmatic and compromise the way forward. Though the latter prevails today, the former will win in the end.

 

[fian]

If only people would substitute sugar for honey……

After vegan drinks that are not milk, syrups that are not honey or vegan products that are not meat, an Austrian company has decided to market something vegan that is not octopus.
They must have heard that the best octopus is eaten in the interior of Galicia and thought we were stupid.
https://cadenaser.com/galicia/2024/03/18/conxemar-alerta- desde-vigo-sobre-la-llegada-del-kraken-radio-vigo/
Another thing is that the advertisement has movie overtones and that the aforementioned Austrian lacks the company of Godzilla and King Kong.