For those interested in AMM

[bingevader]

People have already picked up on most of your comments, but I'd like to highlight this:

If you mean to imply that Amm is more adapted to the conditions here, I would ask you to show me an Amm colony that performs like this (https://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/album.php?albumid=751&pictureid=3832). Is this not evidence of being suited to my local conditions? I think it is. My carnica performs better here than any of the local mongrels which, by your argument, should be better adapted.

This is merely your measure of success as one who keeps bees for honey.
Whilst I have no problem with that, it is not the bees' measure of success.
You are upset with others for suggesting that AMM is better because it originated here, but you are doing the same by suggesting your strain is better because it produces more honey.
Aren't we as bee keepers as guilty as the farmers whose cattle now produce ridiculous volumes of milk or sheep that produce triplets, in suggesting that production is everything?
It might be in your interest, I'm not sure it's in the bees'.

 

[madasafish]

People have already picked up on most of your comments, but I'd like to highlight this:


This is merely your measure of success as one who keeps bees for honey.
Whilst I have no problem with that, it is not the bees' measure of success.
You are upset with others for suggesting that AMM is better because it originated here, but you are doing the same by suggesting your strain is better because it produces more honey.
Aren't we as bee keepers as guilty as the farmers whose cattle now produce ridiculous volumes of milk or sheep that produce triplets, in suggesting that production is everything?
It might be in your interest, I'm not sure it's in the bees'.

Lots of opinions there - which you are entitled to.

But the whole debate to me is opinion only.. very few facts and when facts are quoted you appear to belittle them..

Confirms me in my prejudices on the subject. basically you are saying, if you want honey don't have AMMs..That will go down well with most beekeepers.

 

[B+.]

People have already picked up on most of your comments, but I'd like to highlight this:


This is merely your measure of success as one who keeps bees for honey.
Whilst I have no problem with that, it is not the bees' measure of success.
You are upset with others for suggesting that AMM is better because it originated here, but you are doing the same by suggesting your strain is better because it produces more honey.
Aren't we as bee keepers as guilty as the farmers whose cattle now produce ridiculous volumes of milk or sheep that produce triplets, in suggesting that production is everything?
It might be in your interest, I'm not sure it's in the bees'.

I think you're mistaking my motives for keeping bees if you think I only do it for the honey. However, I won't address that here.
The thing that gets under my skin, and I think it irritates others too (Beefriendly touched upon this in his post), is the "them and us" attitude that some Amm enthusiasts seem to have. It's as though they're saying they're right and everyone else is wrong.
This "Native" prefix that somehow seems to appear whenever anyone talks about Amm is very annoying. It's like a subliminal message designed to worm it's way into your brain. It just reminds me of eco-warriors causing all sorts of mayhem just to force others into adopting their way of thinking. To me, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and is far more worrying than any talk of bees. What's next?

 

[For want of a better word]

Lots of opinions there - which you are entitled to.

But the whole debate to me is opinion only.. very few facts and when facts are quoted you appear to belittle them..

Confirms me in my prejudices on the subject. basically you are saying, if you want honey don't have AMMs..That will go down well with most beekeepers.

Bit like ... We have both kinds of music... Country.... and Western!
I keep both kinds of bees Dark Natives and Stripey Mediterranean!

I like both.. for different reasons... bit like my Intelligent Cornish Collie and my mad English Springer!!!

Some beekeepereres need to cut a bit of slack and grow up !!!

Nos da

 

[Swarm]

I think you're mistaking my motives for keeping bees if you think I only do it for the honey. However, I won't address that here.
The thing that gets under my skin, and I think it irritates others too (Beefriendly touched upon this in his post), is the "them and us" attitude that some Amm enthusiasts seem to have. It's as though they're saying they're right and everyone else is wrong.
This "Native" prefix that somehow seems to appear whenever anyone talks about Amm is very annoying. It's like a subliminal message designed to worm it's way into your brain. It just reminds me of eco-warriors causing all sorts of mayhem just to force others into adopting their way of thinking. To me, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and is far more worrying than any talk of bees. What's next?

Very arrogant and insulting. I don't have time to type more atm but in the meantime, I love bees, all bees. No, carnies are not native to the UK.

 

[Beefriendly]

I like both.. for different reasons... bit like my Intelligent Cornish Collie and my mad English Springer!!!

Some beekeepereres need to cut a bit of slack and grow up !!!

Don't really see what the problems are, anyone can keep whatever type/strain/subspecies/hybrid of bees they desire.
A bit more respect and acceptance of others choices in bees would go a long way.
Glad to hear there are still a few nativish bees around.
But we are all in the same boat, whatever strain you keep when it comes to maintaining that purity with controlled matings, Exemoor isolated mating site and II apart...

 

[Quis Custodiet]

I think you're mistaking my motives for keeping bees if you think I only do it for the honey. However, I won't address that here.
The thing that gets under my skin, and I think it irritates others too (Beefriendly touched upon this in his post), is the "them and us" attitude that some Amm enthusiasts seem to have. It's as though they're saying they're right and everyone else is wrong.
This "Native" prefix that somehow seems to appear whenever anyone talks about Amm is very annoying. It's like a subliminal message designed to worm it's way into your brain. It just reminds me of eco-warriors causing all sorts of mayhem just to force others into adopting their way of thinking. To me, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and is far more worrying than any talk of bees. What's next?

Very incisive and very accurate comment. Jenkins used to refer to the AMM taliban, regrettably he had a point. Those who are engaging in inflammatory extraneous responses here are unlikely to know Socrates....."when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the looser".

 

[Uncle Betty]

I think you're mistaking my motives for keeping bees if you think I only do it for the honey. However, I won't address that here.
The thing that gets under my skin, and I think it irritates others too (Beefriendly touched upon this in his post), is the "them and us" attitude that some Amm enthusiasts seem to have. It's as though they're saying they're right and everyone else is wrong.
This "Native" prefix that somehow seems to appear whenever anyone talks about Amm is very annoying. It's like a subliminal message designed to worm it's way into your brain. It just reminds me of eco-warriors causing all sorts of mayhem just to force others into adopting their way of thinking. To me, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and is far more worrying than any talk of bees. What's next?

Flaxen-haired bees marching through Poland, perhaps ?

Subliminal messages ? eco-warriors ? Nazi Germany (straight red for that) ?

 

[Swarm]

Very incisive and very accurate comment. Jenkins used to refer to the AMM taliban, regrettably he had a point. Those who are engaging in inflammatory extraneous responses here are unlikely to know Socrates....."when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the looser".

Tut, tut, such venom. But shouldn't that be 'loser' ? At least get the spelling correct

 

[Uncle Betty]

Very incisive and very accurate comment. Jenkins used to refer to the AMM taliban, regrettably he had a point. Those who are engaging in inflammatory extraneous responses here are unlikely to know Socrates....."when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the looser".

You're unlikely to know Socrates yourself, if you think he couldn't spell 'loser'. And English not even his first language.

Hilarious that you consider the playing of the 'Nazi Germany' card to be 'incisive and accurate comment'.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

Tut, tut, such venom. But shouldn't that be 'loser' ? At least get the spelling correct

Thank you Swarm, downright decent of you to tell me; you are of course quite correct.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Is there a case for every thread involving a.m.m. to be consigned to the cupboard under the stairs?

 

[B+.]

Subliminal messages ? eco-warriors ? Nazi Germany (straight red for that) ?

Another thing that irritates me is when people quote selected words or phrases to make a point that wasn't intended. Please quote me in context, or, not at all.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

You're unlikely to know Socrates yourself, if you think he couldn't spell 'loser'. And English not even his first language.

Hilarious that you consider the playing of the 'Nazi Germany' card to be 'incisive and accurate comment'.

I am pleased to be able to say I have many valued friendships with Germans. I hold many Germans in high esteem; some at present living in Ireland, some living in their homeland. One must not forget to include Brother Adam and Martin Luther

 

[Uncle Betty]

Another thing that irritates me is when people quote selected words or phrases to make a point that wasn't intended. Please quote me in context, or, not at all.

I selected those words and phrases to make the point that I intended to make.

They are your words.

 

[B+.]

I selected those words and phrases to make the point that I intended to make.

Exactly.
However, if you refer to post 63, it is clear that I was referring to the repeated use of the word "Native" as a subliminal message to tell people that they were not making the "correct" (in your opinion) choice. That is what bothers me (and others).

 

[Swarm]

Is there a case for every thread involving a.m.m. to be consigned to the cupboard under the stairs?

Unfortunately, those who are obviously NOT interested in Amm always have something to say about them. Why is that?

 

[Uncle Betty]

I am pleased to be able to say I have many valued friendships with Germans. I hold many Germans in high esteem; some at present living in Ireland, some living in their homeland. One must not forget to include Brother Adam and Martin Luther

''...in Hitler’s life: his favourite bed-time reading was Martin Luther.''

http://www.historytoday.com/robert-carr/nazism-and-christian-heritage

 

[B+.]

Unfortunately, those who are obviously NOT interested in Amm always have something to say about them. Why is that?

I was not always a carnica breeder. It's the "mind control" being attempted by some people I'm not interested in.

 

[Swarm]

Sorry you get irritated B+ but just accept that Carnica were never native in the UK or Ireland.