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I do. They came in a box and were a bit dusty. Washed and then dried in the oven.I wonder how many people sterilize there new jars?
I do. They came in a box and were a bit dusty. Washed and then dried in the oven.I wonder how many people sterilize there new jars?
Yes ... melt it down for scrap ...
Oh...I don't know.Yes ... melt it down for scrap ...
Absolutely. That is all I ever do since a Master Beekeeper mentored me umpteen years ago. And never have soap anywhere near either.If you have a hose with good pressure, after the soap and water treatment give the insides a good jetting to rinse off. Often that's all mine needs between extractions.
Pressure washer the best if you have one.A pressure washer helps with cleaning stuff such as extractors
Bloody expensive water barrelOh...I don't know.
It has a certain rustic charm as a garden ornament....or a water barrel.
Ah but it is ", fully operational. no dents or scratches"Bloody expensive water barrel
Cold water removes honey and wax, but those little flecks of propolis will only come off with boiling water.I keep boiling water away from my extractor. It melts any wax, which will coat everything and is a real pain to remove.
Sterilising must have a purpose to warrant the trouble and expense - before a medical operation, for example - but what is the point of sterilising a drum that will be stored unsealed (unless vacuum sealed) and will soon be filled with frames loaded with all the bacteria that nature has to offer?As it is used in food production I would still recommend sterilising it with a suitable solution. It would certainly be expected if environmental health ever followed up on honey sales and honey is not always sterile.
Honey is surely not sterile at any point between flower and human stomach. An exception (perhaps) might be medical-grade manuka.honey is not always sterile.
As an EH officer I would be unlikely to take environmental swabs or samples of honey when doing a food hygiene inspection or following a complaint (unless there was a very specific reason). However I would be looking that food business operator was using appropriate cleaning processes/products on food preparation surfaces and equipment befor use and putting it to storage. The reason I would expect the extractor to be cleaned and given a sanitise spray prior to cleaning is pretty self evident, as the equipment has most likely been out of use for months. At the end of use washing with water could be adequate prior to storage but a spray and wipe wood be preferable to inhibit any microbial action (once saw an association extractor full of black mould after being washed (poorly I asume) and then stored. As to the expense a 1Litre of spray from booker with the correct BS EN cert costs less than £3.00.Sterilising must have a purpose to warrant the trouble and expense - before a medical operation, for example - but what is the point of sterilising a drum that will be stored unsealed (unless vacuum sealed) and will soon be filled with frames loaded with all the bacteria that nature has to offer?
I'm struggling to envisage a TS or EH officer checking for sterility (unless they wish to tick a meaningless box) and if it were so, all other extraction machinery would have to be treated similarly, and stored to preserve that sterility.
Honey is surely not sterile at any point between flower and human stomach. An exception (perhaps) might be medical-grade manuka.
Out of interest, what chemicals are in these sprays and how long does the sterilisation last for under typical honey extractor storage conditions (in my case with the lid closed and inside a storage container)?1Litre of spray from booker with the correct BS EN cert
Off the top of my head I can't recall the active chemicals in the different brands. Most of them have instructions that you spray it on leave for a set length of time (30 seconds to 5 mins depending on brand) and then wipe off with a clean cloth. As for how long it lasts, it lasts until it is contaminated so if you store your equipment dry and with the lid closed (I put a wrap of pallet wrap cling film around mine when putting away) it will remain a clean surface. If you store it exposed to airflow in a dusty shed it won't be clean for long, if you pick your nose and have a big cough in it less so again. Like I said the main reason I give mine a spray is just to ensure there is no yeast or mould that could be in a seam or thread etc. To be honest it is probably more than is needed and a good wash and ensuring its dry before closing it up would suffice but I have the spray in the honey room so figure its does no harm. While on about cleaning products the stainless steel cleaning spray / decreaser sold in booker ( i see it a lot in kebab shops to wipe down surfaces) does a great job at getting propolis off equipment.Out of interest, what chemicals are in these sprays and how long does the sterilisation last for under typical honey extractor storage conditions (in my case with the lid closed and inside a storage container)?
Guessing it could have been around the time the 2004 regulations came in?Only about twenty years ago a village general stores near me had been serving the local population for over a hundred years. The local county council visited and produced a fantastically long list of improvements that were demanded to trade in groceries. This list was considered by the owner who rapidly assessed the cost of complying would require a couple of years profit. As a result - he closed the shop and changed the shop space into living accommodation so no more business rates to pay, then he retired.
The village lost another facility despite the long and useful history. Now residents have to travel for their groceries plastic wrapped and other needs from supermarkets. Remember the old saying "you eat a bushel of muck in your lifetime"
Hi Ben. The regulations do allow for small producers to supply small quantities of produce to the end user or local retailer supplying the end user. Definition of small and local is a bit woolly. But if you are selling your 100lbs direct to the consumer (or a local shop) then all good. If you sold buckets to another beekeeper or intermediary then that is a different case. If your do require to register the regulations are exactly the same for your kitchen as they are for a bigger businesses. However the regulations (852/2004) require things likePeaBee,
For the first time I've produced 100lb of honey for sale. Not registered with the local council. When it's a matter of whether food is safe is there any difference in the standards for me, in my kitchen, and someone producing 10,000lbs?
I have met a bee farmer who commented about the poor hygiene standards of some amateurs.
I have to take my extractor completely apart after rinsing it with a garden hose as I can't get to the bottom of the drum. Wash and dry the parts outside in the sun and then reassemble. Will then rinse with hose and dry before using again. I'm thinking this is not good enough. (Photo is when I first got it and had to clean all the grease from the bearings and gears!)
. . . . Ben
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