Buckfast bees in Ieland

[Finman]

Finman, where in my post did you see that I have EFB and please don'y make assumptions from what you see in the Avatar.

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I look your avatar and your abdomen (=ar***) is so small that you must have EFB

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[Busy Bee]

I look your avatar and your abdomen (=ar***) is so small that you must have EFB

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Finman your such a "nice" person! Says alot about you when you use foul language.

 

[Finman]

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I looked from navigator. It is 1928 km from here to Belfast.

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[Busy Bee]

And?

 

[Luminos]

...so it's a long way to Belfast, as well as Tipperary.

 

[Finman]

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I looked from Google Earth and from navigator that distance from Helsinki to Tipperary it is 2181 km

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[Norton]

It's a lot of airmiles.

 

[For want of a better word]

It's a lot of airmiles.

I have enough Avios to get to Singapore!

 

[PBee]

Finman, where in my post did you see that I have EFB and please don'y make assumptions from what you see in the Avatar.

Busy Bee

PS I have Blacks more than 1 season..and also I did nt mention that only on good seasonsdo the lighter strains produce more honey.... where are we gonna get good seasons, its been raining for 18 months!

Some very dark Buckfast depending on the line.

There are a lot of old myths that keep getting propagated without any practical trial. I have had these various strains side by side in numbers and my observation was that particular lines of Buckfast represent the best mix of qualities including hardiness/thrift/productivity for beekeeping here in the West of Ireland. I had a number of Dark stocks last year with first season queens from the main supplier and they were the first - all of them - to attempt swarming. Even some F1 Carnica were well behind them. The defensiveness/aggression is still there aswell - particularly after artifical swarming and interruptions in the honey flow.

 

[Norton]

Here is one advertising http://www.gbbg.net/nativeversusbuckfast.html

Native Irish Black Bee versus the Buckfast Bee



During 1967 The Beekeeping Research Unit at Clonroche, Co Wexford carried out some comparison trials of Irish and Buckfast Bees - side by side trials.

The stocks used in the trial were six colonies of dark bees of the native Irish strain and six Buckfast strain colonies. The six colonies of dark bees had been over-wintered as full stocks with ample stores and queens reared in 1966. Four of the six Buckfast strain colonies were derived from queens imported in July 1966

Is this really the best that GBBG do - quote a trial from 47 years ago! It doesn't inspire confidence in their agenda or any one else supportive of AMM.

The is an ever increasing interest in Buckfast bees from Ireland. If the local bees were as good as they are touted to be and people were happy with them, this interest would simply not exist.

 

[For want of a better word]

The is an ever increasing interest in Buckfast bees from Ireland. If the local bees were as good as they are touted to be and people were happy with them, this interest would simply not exist.

As dear ol Maggie would have said.... Where's proof !!!

Nowt wrong with Buckfasts... possibly the import of any type of foreign honeybee particularly when it could be a vector for virus, into a closed ecosystem is the real problem.

So called Buckfasts or any other hybridised bee may perform well once adapted to the local environmental conditions, and traits wished for by the beekeeper selected for.
Possibly even maybee the Local and endemic AMM population may be the best type of bee to keep, and therefore the best place to start for bee improvement?

 

[Finman]

the Local and endemic AMM population may be the best type of bee to keep, and therefore the best place to start for bee improvement?

It is impossible to win **** person in debating

First: "start bee improvent" - You mean that its starts this year 2003 or 2004?

Instrumental insemination has been used 70 years. Hve they made something porno, and now they should really improve bees?
What have Norton and Hivemaker done in their work? Something odd, but not bee improvement?

Second: Those Unique Local Endemic AMM has been moved to every continent first, but they any nowhere in honey production.


Third: When we breed something, we take best individuals, and not the worst.

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[Norton]

Icanhopit _ I do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. However, we can see a number of new members from Ireland signing up for the Buckfast Beekeeper's Group. Plus, I have a good number of private contacts that keep Buckfast bees.

To run the study, they must have imported queens.

John Corr (NI), was Brother Adam's agent in the UK for queens being imported from Weaver's in the 1980's.

There is an Irish Buckfast beekeeping group.

So, the bee is already well established in Ireland, whether some parties like this or not.

 

[Finman]

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I remember Tamar valley endemic cider and endemic apples.

Now endemic Tamar Valley AMM.

What is that: Endemic Tamar Valley Spamming TVS

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but to be CIDER it needs to be from English apples grown in England and fermented and bottled in England

Not that I am patriotic or anything... just know what is right !


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[For want of a better word]

Will lose points for repetition, but...

Nowt wrong with Buckfasts... possibly the import of any type of foreign honeybee particularly when it could be a vector for virus, into a closed ecosystem is the real problem.

QED

 

[Norton]

I like the train of your thoughts Icanhopit. I would like to know how closely related the Irish AMM are to the old AMM that existed before the decimation by acarine/virus a hundred years ago. I think that there could be a real threat to the Irish AMM from acarine, may be even extinction!

The AMM breeding groups in Ireland should be testing and selecting for resistance within their bee populations instead of taking wild shots at beekeepers that wish to keep other bees, attempting to get imports banned and engaging in a stupid propaganda campaign that will lead nowhere.

I would be willing to support a bona fide breeding effort with technical know-how and even financial contribution.

 

[Finman]

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Iancopit lives in England. Why he puts his spoon in foreign country's soup?
Imperialist who want to eate only Tamar Valley Apples.

Barbars = People who live outside Tamar Valley (<-Wikipedia)

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[Luminos]

I thought Barbar was an elephant

 

[For want of a better word]

BarBar was the Viking name for Barbarians... because their tongue, souded like baaa baaa baaa as opposed to the hooodi hooodi hooo of the Vikings !


Watch too much BBC 4 !

As for AMMs ... thought BIBBA had that under its belt, but proper research take time !

 

[For want of a better word]

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Iancopit lives in England. Why he puts his spoon in foreign country's soup?
Imperialist who want to eate only Tamar Valley Apples.

Barbars = People who live outside Tamar Valley (<-Wikipedia)

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Now I was lead to believe people only existed outside of the Tamar Valley !




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