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Hello,
For those interested in Amm / Native Black Bees. Tell us about your bees, queen rearing groups, successes and failures.
Please feel free to post your experiences, observations, or questions regarding the above.
 
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Willie says that his father and then initially he, bought in a load of Dutch, Belgian and particularly French bees I think- and he's mentioned that it's the French ones that gave been the basis for most of his amm traits, so, without Google give I'm not sure of the distinction between phenotype and halotype but I seem.to recall him suggesting that his 'amm' were genetically largely the same as the French black bee. Like I say though, ECT utterly wombled my memory so I could even have the roles of the Dutch and French bees conflated. He's a great raconteur if ever you get the chance- we see him with our local association a few times a year usually and should really organise another association trip to Chain Bridge for his reminiscences alone. I know a few years ago he experienced losses of between 1/3rd and 50% and drone virility is something he often bemoans with a theory that an awful lots of drones are infertile and those that aren't are negatively impacted by the pathogen load of one of the two types of DWV - a notion I'm sure David Evans has similarly espoused, and, utterly anecdotally, I've found my spring mated queens to be circa 75% less likely to turn drone layer the following spring compared to autumn matings, so I now try to get my breeding done early before the pathogen load vectored by varroa builds up too much
I’d love to meet him. He came over to Ireland to give a talk this Spring or last Autumn - can’t quite remember but it clashed with my work. There are a couple of his talks on the bare foot beekeeper podcast that are really enjoyable.

 
I’d love to meet him. He came over to Ireland to give a talk this Spring or last Autumn - can’t quite remember but it clashed with my work. There are a couple of his talks on the bare foot beekeeper podcast that are really enjoyable.


Aye, Phil Chandler's a bit eccentric imo (nothing wrong with that but after an ill-fated flirtation with the Beehaus, I'm decidedly not a long hive aficionado), but some if his episodes are v good, I'd hoped he'd do more and he when I contacted him he said he was planning to but he seems to wear a lot of hats so understandably busy - he used to be a signwriter in Hexham I think he said. I'd love to meet Mike Palmer and Murray and Laurence- think most people my age would rather meet celebrities but they're rockstars to me 😀 I listen to Stewart Spinks' podcast and finished the Treatment Free beekeeping podcast which was interesting for the most part, now working my way through beekeeping today which has Kim Flottum on abd ge also dies Honeybee obscura eith James Tew who did the beekeepers troubleshooting book that's nice - any others worth listening to? Love podcasts and listening to them or audiobooks constantly, though Honeybee democracy was really my limit science wise!
 
He's 6'2, average height I'd say - the rest of my family are Hobbits, know what you mean about the shrinkage though- I used to be JUST 6'3, and now I'm 1.89, such a blow! I think we all have beekeepers back though tbh
It’s called the “shrinks “ ask the twits!
I’m shorter than I was even more so when you stand next to my 16 21 and 23 year old boys .
 
You’re too young to be suffering from disc compression
unfortunately for me, the job put paid to more than a couple of mine. no longer 'just short of six foot' and fast becoming 5'11"
 
He's 6'2, average height I'd say

I think that's still rather taller than average in this country. In fact I think it's taller than average for pretty much anywhere.

[Edit] Just looked it up. Average (male) height in the UK is apparently 5'9". Blow me down. I'm taller than average!

James
 
He's 6'2, average height I'd say
I think that's still rather taller than average in this country.
:iagree: I had an officer on my last crew who was 6'3", struggled to get comfortable with the bunks we had on certain vessels.

She towered over everyone, especially on a night out when she decided to wear heels.
 
Interesting article that looks at DNA of many bee subspecies (including bumblebees). This meta-analysis seems to indicate that A.m.m. was the root bee from which all the other subspecies derived, quite a different answer to previous population analyses that said they all came from Africa.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-35937-4
 
Nice 😁 you’ve got them well populated .
Here are a couple of mine from my apideas first round, I’ve another set of grafts just emerged yesterday. These queens are off to local association members this weekend.
 
Lovely queens.
I marked a couple today in little mating nucs and laying nicely. I also marked a very small queen in one of the early splits, looks more like a virgin but she has BIAS. Not entirely happy but I'll see how she gets on and she is marked now so easier to spot.
Another mating site will be shut down temporarily until the recent influx are absorbed and fizzle out, any unites will get the original queens.
Returned to the farm colonies to see how they are getting on after removing honey last weekend. They all had at least two fully capped supers removed and I added an empty to clear them into. The empty supers were returned on Sunday and they were all ram packed today and needing another, four of them could have done with two but I didn't have enough supers to go around. A few hundred pounds of Hawthorn sitting in buckets :) Very nice.
I found a lovely sealed cell in with my blue disc queen, she is still there. They took the last cell down, it looks like they can't make up their minds.
All attention is on my friend's new site at the moment, we have sited chosen colonies and the last round of mating nucs are due to be moved there this weekend along with the first batch of his new queens.
Quite a long day in all, from 9.30 until 15.00, got home and realised I'd not had a drink since first thing.
 
Pleased with the progress that three out of five queens that I have raised this year have made. The fourth has yet to fully get into her stride. The fifth is due to emerge soon. Will definitely try and develop my queen raising skills next year. The mothers (4) of the above have been excellent, producing bees that are steady on the comb, frugal over the winter and have produced a good spring harvest.
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Pleased with the progress that three out of five queens that I have raised this year have made. The fourth has yet to fully get into her stride. The fifth is due to emerge soon. Will definitely try and develop my queen raising skills next year. The mothers (4) of the above have been excellent, producing bees that are steady on the comb, frugal over the winter and have produced a good spring harvest.
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Lovely brood frame. My black bees do the circle of brood surrounded by a circles of pollen and honey thing which always looks unnerving to me
 

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