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In the infamous NZ bees thread it was suggested that a compromise was about to be reached between Co-op/Murray and Ron Hoskins.
Since then - deathly quiet.
Anyone got an update on what's going on?
 
Ron Hoskins springwatch 8th june 19.30 BBC2

Just seen tonights springwatch and in the closing trail for tomorrow nights show, kate humble announced that ron hoskins would be featured!!

Regards

FB
 
What happened is what always happens: A bunch of people read a few snippets of second- or third-hand rumours and went off the deep end, enjoying a bit of 'holier than thou' posturing behind the anonymity of the internet. Lots of people clucked sympathetically, and once some facts had been teased out from behind the rumours the thread circled round the same half dozen points until absolutely everyone lost interest.

Then what? Not much. Just the usual impotent keyboard bashing and clicking on online petitions. Indeed the Facebook campaign to ban bee imports only managed to muster 2,000 followers, which seems rather insignificant compared to the 482,000 who want Jeremy Clarkson to be Prime Minister, for instance.

And as if to underline the fickleness, when this thread regarding transporting bees 500 miles surfaced shortly afterwards, nobody even uttered a peep about the evils of moving bees long distance. It seems all those concerns (local adaptation, genetic dilution, impacts on local breeding efforts, the risks of disease transmission, etc.) which seemed so important a month earlier had just slipped right out of everybody's minds... :willy_nilly:

It's just the way these places work :D
 
Steady on Dan - you're verging on impotent keyboard bashing there:)

I'm not after igniting another battle on the same subject, I was just interested to find out what actually happened after all the rhetoric on both sides.
I had a clear and detailed PM from Murray on the subject, so as far as I'm concerned this thread is closed.

For what it's worth though, 2000 likes on facebook is not bad. There are many companies that would kill for that many.
The Co-op's Plan Bee has around the same amount;)
 
Well I'd like to know as well after all the fuss on here.
I've had no pm's from Murray though
 
Well I'd like to know as well after all the fuss on here.
I've had no pm's from Murray though

Hi Peter,
I would have preferred Murray to reply to this thread but respect his reasons for not doing so. I don't think it would be right for me to pass on the details from something said to me in a PM, even though I would like to.
Perhaps if you PM Murray he may bring you up to speed.

Regards
Andy
 
He also may not reply, if you run the volume of hives Murray does sitting at a keyboard is somewhat a waste of time in the busiest time of year for beekeeping, don't forget its not his hobby its his living.
I find it hard with my numbers so how he manages is worth a winter thread on its own
kev
 
He also may not reply, if you run the volume of hives Murray does sitting at a keyboard is somewhat a waste of time in the busiest time of year for beekeeping, don't forget its not his hobby its his living.
I find it hard with my numbers so how he manages is worth a winter thread on its own
kev

All good business people recognise the importance of good PR.
 
We've heard nothing down this way....going on feedback from other local beeks, those in the direct vicinity had a very mixed season....early swarms, late swarms (this month!) and a whole lot of odd things going on in their hives with missing queens, loads of robbing and more than a few colonies turning feral in behaviour....

oh it's lovely to be back !

S
 
The NZ bees

All good business people recognise the importance of good PR.

The NZ bees are lovely, great to work, and definitely thrive in the localities they have been placed in.

If you want to hear it from someone other than myself go the Phil Chandlers podcast he made with me at the bees one day, and read his comments on the same forum.

Phil, who is naturally of an anti persuasion, gave the bees and the reasoning behind them, a fair hearing. Listen to his podcast, read his comments, and then ask questions of me.

Sorry to hear of the local robbing, not seen any of it.

Murray
 
The NZ bees are lovely, great to work, and definitely thrive in the localities they have been placed in.

If you want to hear it from someone other than myself go the Phil Chandlers podcast he made with me at the bees one day, and read his comments on the same forum.

Phil, who is naturally of an anti persuasion, gave the bees and the reasoning behind them, a fair hearing. Listen to his podcast, read his comments, and then ask questions of me.

Sorry to hear of the local robbing, not seen any of it.

Murray

I stumbled across that podcast the other evening. an interesting overview, and as you state, a fair hearing. well worth listening to.
 
We've heard nothing down this way....going on feedback from other local beeks, those in the direct vicinity had a very mixed season....early swarms, late swarms (this month!) and a whole lot of odd things going on in their hives with missing queens, loads of robbing and more than a few colonies turning feral in behaviour....

oh it's lovely to be back !

S

Carefully put. Says nothing you cannot wriggle out of, yet the line of dots at the end leaves it open to a negative interpretation.

If you have something to lay at the door of the bees then come out and say it.

However, you did not need to add 'in the direct vicinity' if you are not making mischief. It is a fair description of 2011 throughout our entire range, all localities and all bee types.
50% plus failure of new seasons queens commonplace, especially in our native stock here in the north.
Queens just dying for no known reason, emergency cells only a few days old, when you have not been near them for 10 to 12 days.
Supercedure started, then emergency cells as well.

I think (a dangerous activity that can lead to serious injury) the speed they took off in the spring is mostly to blame, and then they almost went through a summer winter, only to get racing ahead again in July. Not seen any late swarming this year but suspect it will have the same root.

Bees did well down there, but been a truly dire season in our home range, our best heather locations all failed and the crop will all be from our secondary areas. Double whammy, blossom failure followed by heather failure. Further south I hear it has been good, but Aberdeenshire, our key territory, has been completely useless. ( 70% failure in young queens in that area btw, and those that did mate are turning drone layer already. Bodes badly for spring 2012.)

So be it. Dust ourselves down and carry on. Not a year to remember with a fond glow.
 
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... So be it. Dust ourselves down and carry on. Not a year to remember with a fond glow.

Hi Murray, welcome back. I hope you'll be able to spend some more time on here when the bees are back in bed.

As regards all the above... I'm glad it's not just my year then!
 
I stumbled across that podcast the other evening. an interesting overview, and as you state, a fair hearing. well worth listening to.

Time for me to ask the dumb question. Where can I find the pod cast?
 
Time for me to ask the dumb question. Where can I find the pod cast?

hi, took me a while to find it again myself! try this:

biobees.libsyn.com/interview-with-murray-mc.gregor

you'll need to scroll down the page -i'm not too clever with computer links etc. think the podcast is dated 2nd July.
 
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hi, took me a while to find it again myself! try this:

biobees.libsyn.com/interview-with-murray-mc.gregor

you'll need to scroll down the page -i'm not too clever with computer links etc. think the podcast is dated 2nd July.
Thank you !
 

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