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[ericbeaumont]

https://www.scottishbeecompany.co.uk/blogs/news/why-we-don-t-use-the-word-raw

The Scottish Bee Company info. is no more than invention, misinformation and total rubbish.

The Honey (Scotland) Regulations 2015 are no different from the English and the definitions of the types of honey the same.

 

[WoodenBeam]

Devil is in the detail. What I’d like to know is am I buying liquid honey as sort of seen I think behind the label and according to one description:

‘This shiny, golden, new jar represents the liquid gold deliciousness inside’
or am I buying
‘extraordinary Cornish soft set honey from Tregothnan’
in the other description...........

addition to post: Especially at £28/lb

 

[Repwoc]

foreign

I guess they don't mean from abroad.

inorganic or organic matters

So everything then. Or do they mean one or the other, but not both?

significant

Your guess is as good as mine. A statistical measure?

So the honey regs are ambiguous. Does that make them meaningless too, like the word "raw"?

 

[CaptainCymru]

The Scottish Bee Company info. is no more than invention, misinformation and total rubbish.

The Honey (Scotland) Regulations 2015 are no different from the English and the definitions of the types of honey the same.

Consider yourself triggered

 

[Repwoc]

"Raw honey" has been around for some time:

"Raw hony not wel y-clarified..bredeþ swellyng and grollynge in þe wombe. " John Trevisa · Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum · 1398. (OED)

 

[ericbeaumont]

Does that make them meaningless too, like the word "raw"?

To you and I perhaps, but as they're lawful and raw is not...

 

[ericbeaumont]

Consider yourself triggered

Yes, I found that earlier and had to hold myself back...

 

[jeff33]

Very pretty that, Jeff.

Thanks a lot, I was sick of the usual honey labels so had someone to design me the lot.

 

[enrico]

And here we go again......raw raw roar!!!!!
This thread covered it all!!!!!
https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threads/buoyant-roadside-honey-sales-since-lockdown.47041/

 

[CaptainCymru]

Yes, I found that earlier and had to hold myself back...

I knew I'd get you eventually

 

[CaptainCymru]

Thanks a lot, I was sick of the usual honey labels so had someone to design me the lot.

Should check out canva too , that's got some pretty good stuff ,its fun designing them too if your into that !

 

[CaptainCymru]

Moving away from the Raw debate ,what aboooooout........Pollen Protein Honey , since pollen is a form of Protein , get down the gyms selling it to juice heads !

 

[Apple]

They were using the word MANUKA !

Has anyone seen this ?

https://tregothnan.co.uk/shop/honey/cornish-honey/estate-honey/
If that's the case I'm labelling mine "Botanical Raw Cold Pressed Oragnic Honey with Pfizer Vaccine Technology" .....£50/220g

once upon a time.... they were advertising MANUKA HONEY..
bees were foraging apparently on their manuka bush.
Seemed to vanish suddenly?

 

[thorn]

There was a court case a while ago.
A large honey packer took a smaller honey packer to court for using the word RAW on their labels.
Because the word RAW has absolutely no meaning other than a gimic word the case was settled under the advertising laws.
The case was based on the fact that having the word RAW on the labels implied that the honey was better than someone else's and deliberately misled the customer as under the honey regs all honey sold as honey is in fact raw. Bakers honey is generally overheated honey.
The large packer won and the small packer had to stop using the word RAW on labels and got stiffed for the costs.

Hasn't done him any harm he's one of the fastest growing companies in the country.

Which court? What was the name of the case?

 

[CaptainCymru]

They were using the word MANUKA !

once upon a time.... they were advertising MANUKA HONEY..
bees were foraging apparently on their manuka bush.
Seemed to vanish suddenly?

Maybe the Bush died ? Good idea mind, get a few of those in the Garden ,proper job !

 

[beeno]

There was a court case a while ago.
A large honey packer took a smaller honey packer to court for using the word RAW on their labels.
Because the word RAW has absolutely no meaning other than a gimic word the case was settled under the advertising laws.
The case was based on the fact that having the word RAW on the labels implied that the honey was better than someone else's and deliberately misled the customer as under the honey regs all honey sold as honey is in fact raw. Bakers honey is generally overheated honey.
The large packer won and the small packer had to stop using the word RAW on labels and got stiffed for the costs.

Hasn't done him any harm he's one of the fastest growing companies in the country.

If you take someone to court you need to educate the judge about how the business is carried out. The judge knows the law, but not necessarily how the business is run. Pasteurised and overheated honey is not the same neither is raw and pasteurised honey which is usually also fine filtered. Badly prepared defence!

 

[Ian123]

If you take someone to court you need to educate the judge about how the business is carried out. The judge knows the law, but not necessarily how the business is run. Pasteurised and overheated honey is not the same neither is raw and pasteurised honey which is usually also fine filtered. Badly prepared defence!

No sorry not true the judge is not there to discuss a how you run the business award in fact that really shouldn’t be anything to do with it. His only consideration will be if they acted within the law.

 

[CaptainCymru]

No sorry not true the judge is not there to discuss a how you run the business award in fact that really shouldn’t be anything to do with it. His only consideration will be if they acted within the law.

But they do take things into consideration when awarding damages etc

 

[Nige.Coll]

Does RAW mean un pasteurised ? That is the problem using a meaningless definition that has no legal definition for the product it's being used for.
If Raw was in the honey regs and stated un pasteurised then fine but it isn't and under the regs pasteurised honey is indeed raw. HMF and Diastase activity are what they rules are based around for heat applied.

 

[thorn]

But they do take things into consideration when awarding damages etc

What they take into consideration is the claimant's loss occasioned by the defendant's conduct. In a claim between two businesses it's an accountancy exercise.