To treat or not for varroa

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it 1999% sure that a hive cannot live continuously 15 or 5 years in chimney or in another place under pressure of varroa.
Sorry to say that there are people who would disagree with you. They know, and understand, what they see with their own eyes.
 
Hi All,
Remember I only have swarms this year. Therefore I have just done my first varroa check on two colonies. Two mites each over 48 hrs. Therefore reading the DEFRA tables treatment not necessary, so I am going for oxalic at Christmas. Is that correct or should I not do that either?
 
"Why not give queens to others to see if this really is a management effect?"

Why not be even more scientific, and try the management techniques using "local mongrels" first? (as I suspect it's nothing to do with the queens, and they may not "transplant" well)

Please explain how that is more scientific?
 
Shifting queens adds too many variables (hence my comment about possibly not transplanting well) - French mongrels should be pretty well suited to local conditions, just as UK mongrels would be to ours, therefore it makes more sense to try the management techniques first, which you can closely duplicate!
 
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Hi All,
Remember I only have swarms this year. Therefore I have just done my first varroa check on two colonies. Two mites each over 48 hrs. Therefore reading the DEFRA tables treatment not necessary, so I am going for oxalic at Christmas. Is that correct or should I not do that either?

Personally... I wouldn't treat. But that opinion comes from listening to natural beekeepers that I'm acquainted with. But of course, I know nothing of you, your situation or your bees.
 
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I am worried about a late Varroa build up

Leaving aside the lovely dream that varroa resistant bees are just around the corner.

I have been asking around and a lot of us around have noticed that varroa levels are low at the moment. Perhaps the little sods really do dislike a British summer.

However, a few years ago I was well and truly caught out by a late build up of varroa clobbering my winter bees in September.

So, I am going to play safe and will be treating with Apiguard in the next few weeks.
 
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Personally... I wouldn't treat. But that opinion comes from listening to natural beekeepers that I'm acquainted with. But of course, I know nothing of you, your situation or your bees.


it is beter treat, what ever the count is.

I wonder what knowledge natural beekeepershave brought to this globe?
 
Without wishing to go round the buoys again, there really are people in this country that are allowing the bees to fight varroa on their own, without treatment.

It doesn't take much effort to find them. But this is part of the point that others have been talking about. I think that your style of beekeeping has to be different if your to be open to this concept. It's very clear that most here are focused on honey yield and therefore I can see that attempting something different is seen as a risk that many won't take.

These natural beekeeping "dreamers" are focused on the bees and are prepared to do all of the "risky" things like letting the bees fight their own battles, encourage swarming, have reduced inspections etc. Of course those practices won't necessarily work if your focus is on honey output.

So here's the thing. When someone asks a question here and different opinions are voiced, it doesn't mean that the other person is a crack pot, they just have different circumstances and a different view. There's no need or point in trying to smash the other person to pieces.
 
So here's the thing. When someone asks a question here and different opinions are voiced, it doesn't mean that the other person is a crack pot, they just have different circumstances and a different view. There's no need or point in trying to smash the other person to pieces.

Ahhhhh, the voice of reason and common sense, let's see if it's taken on board.

Chris
 
W........and a different view. There's no need or point in trying to smash the other person to pieces.


i am sure that they are so strong in their faith that no one can smash them.

We have talked abut varroa control for yeas here. I have teaches varroa control at least 5 years.

First it was against law.

Then there was no balance how to weigh the stuff.

And finally now, natural beekeepers say:good heavens, don't do that.

One guy just wrote that normal sugar has poison.

Have you guys balls enough to say to these propel heads that shut up!

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There really should be varroa resistant bees!

What I find dismaying is that we do not have varroa resistant strains already.

Consider the following:

1) Varroa is said to be a parasite of Apis cerana, the Asian bee, which has behaviour patterns that allow it to survive varroa infestations.

2) Apis cerana and Apis mellifera's natural territories overlap in Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apis_distribution_map.svg

3) Therefore, over evolutionary periods of time varroa and A. mellifera have co-existed in the same place.

So, there should be varroa resistant strains (say in Russia) - but how come nobody is selling them?:)
 
What I find dismaying is that we do not have varroa resistant strains already.

Try changing "resistant" for "tolerant" and it seems that "we" have that in France.

If I'm wrong with my use of English perhaps you could explain?

Chris
 
It's OK Chris, I know that Finman is absolutely right in his world. But constantly trying to correct something that is perceived to be wrong speaks volumes.
 
So, there should be varroa resistant strains (say in Russia) - but how come nobody is selling them?:)

American imported varroa tolerant bees from Russia Primorsky area 1997 and they have breeded it since that as Russian bee. Yes but it is not varroa resistant. Further more the strain has odd habits.


You get more information from internet.

European beekeepers have found from Europe varroa tolerant Carniolan strains.
They have breeded those strains in Germany.

France has its famous Gefys bee.

NZ started their own breeding program with loud noise
but now it has been quite silent around the project.

There are many programs around the world around the issue.

But hobby beekeepers resolve the problem with their chimney strains. - it is not so easy.

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Try changing "resistant" for "tolerant" and it seems that "we" have that in France.

If I'm wrong with my use of English perhaps you could explain?

Chris

Sorry 'tother Chris,

What I am saying is that there is a perfectly valid theoretical argument for your varroa tolerant bees.

I just wish we had them in Yorkshire:)
 

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