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Do you think that myth is the same as Irish bee keepers don't use one standard brood box to
what is your obsession with the Irish and standard boxes?
What kind of point are you trying to make?
or is it just blowing smoke and subtle trolling?
 
what is your obsession with the Irish and standard boxes?
What kind of point are you trying to make?
or is it just blowing smoke and subtle trolling?
in the end, it's not me that's defending some idiot who culls prolific queens to avoid giving the queen more space
 
but doesn't make it true - quite the opposite, beekeeping during and just after the war reached an all time high thanks to a government push to encourage beekeeping in the civilian/non combatant population. The demise of the native bee population happened long before the burning of the Reichstag.
So is the rest of the piece as full of fantastic claims?
Was there no sugar rushing during and shortly after the war, was there not alot of bee keepers lost in the war?
Your not so good at answering questions are you pal, still waiting on your responses to the crap claims you've made?
 
Oh I don't know he's been keeping bees a long time and has a good reputation, he also keeps his bees on a single standard brood box which afew people on hear seem to thing is impossible, that must be an achievement in itself 😏😂. He also manages to breed bees seemingly making them more native than they started, he dosnt need to import queens every other year just breeds them, you could say he's a far better bee keeper than most as if they banned imports tommorow I'm sure the buckfast bunch would be up shitzcreek without a paddle in a year or two when the f2 aggression starts kicking in would you disagree 😬?
I’m sure your not surprised I disagree, you say he has a good reputation but with whom, mention his name at a BFA meeting and at best it’s a raised eyebrow….at worse😂I can’t say. Anyone can keep bees in a single box the point is why! He certainly doesn’t breed bees, he may raise a few. There is a considerable difference!! If imports got banned tomorrow there’s enough buckfast breeders here, I have a couple of UK II queens arriving in a week. I also have Carnica😉others would import sperm. I did once meet a gentleman at Heathrow with a pocket full of sperm. As to F2 aggression I get some ok F2-3 but at that point there more local.
 
in the end, it's not me that's defending some idiot who culls prolific queens to avoid giving the queen more space
My point is you stated bees are not kept on standard brood boxs, they most definatly are and I've mentioned Irish bee keepers as its very common there, the subject of the post is about culling a prolific queen and your trying to ridicule the bloke because you don't agree with it. He culled the queen clearly because he dosnt want prolific queens, why on earth would he give it more space when it's the opposite to what he and their association want. It's nit trolling it's a discussion.
 
Was there no sugar rushing during and shortly after the war, was there not alot of bee keepers lost in the war?
Your not so good at answering questions are you pal, still waiting on your responses to the crap claims you've made?
you just going to throw insults and talk more rubbish?
because of sugar rationing the government encouraged the civilan population to keep bees and never put honey on ration
What has war casualties got to do with the collapse of the UK indigenous bee population? that happened well before the war
the number of active beekeepers and thus colonies was at an all time high - all the way up until after 1952 when sugar came off ration.
 
I’m sure your not surprised I disagree, you say he has a good reputation but with whom, mention his name at a BFA meeting and at best it’s a raised eyebrow….at worse😂I can’t say. Anyone can keep bees in a single box the point is why! He certainly doesn’t breed bees, he may raise a few. There is a considerable difference!! If imports got banned tomorrow there’s enough buckfast breeders here, I have a couple of UK II queens arriving in a week. I also have Carnica😉others would import sperm. I did once meet a gentleman at Heathrow with a pocket full of sperm. As to F2 aggression I get some ok F2-3 but at that point there more local.
It dosnt surprise me if they are of the same mentally on imports I'm sure they wouldn't like his whole ethos on not importing.
You've missed the point, you need to keep adding foreign genes to keep your mixed bees, f2 aggression is because you've imported bees lol its a backwards method.
 
Yes some people keep amm, some people keep near native bees and as I already stated some near natives are to prolific for a single brood box? Some are not and are kept on a standard brood box I don't get your point?
I’m not making a point. I’m asking a question. I was asking whether bees when the standard box was invented were lees prolific? Was the box designed to fit the bees?
 
you just going to throw insults and talk more rubbish?
because of sugar rationing the government encouraged the civilan population to keep bees and never put honey on ration
What has war casualties got to do with the collapse of the UK indigenous bee population? that happened well before the war
the number of active beekeepers and thus colonies was at an all time high - all the way up until after 1952 when sugar came off ration.
Exactly, do you think when sugar was rationed the people left didn't take the honey, you think they left it for the bees? I doubt it, id guess they took it and there was alot of starved colonies, neglected in some shape or form when alot of bee keepers went to war?
Around 1904 is when the iow was found, lasted 20 years or so didn't it? That takes you right through the war?
I'm not throwing insults, your throwing statements then not replying when I challange them to be crap?
 
@Robinredcar there’s no point in laughing at my suggestion. It’s a serious one because if this thread gets out of hand it will be closed down and I don’t want to do that
 
I’m not making a point. I’m asking a question. I was asking whether bees when the standard box was invented were lees prolific? Was the box designed to fit the bees?
I'd guess the bees where more like native bees, like the ones in Ireland that are kept on standard brood boxs, or like Roger Pattersons near natives that are also kept on standard brood boxs.
 
Ofcorse it isn't, why wpuld you want multiple brood boxs when you can have just one and get the same crop?!
Because you won’t get the same crop! If your in a poor area a mediocre sized colony without the mouths to feed may do better in the long run. If your in anything from a average to good area bigger colonies will store more surplus, as a rule of thumb you won’t go far wrong with that. Why do you think those dastardly commercial types prefer them. Not to mention of all the corners of the world Uk AMM got exported to few stuck with them over more prolific types. This country has few true breeders and of those how many can compare to the breeding groups in Europe or the US. I rather think the UK is the backward example.
 
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