Oxalic acid treatment

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Thankfully

 

[Murox]

I'm not here to argue politics but the last UK socialist governments of the 1960's and 70's left the country in a pretty sorry state so I doubt they were much better than anything that came after ! And yes.... I was there and old enough to remember ...

The alternate political philosophy of apathy, the loss of interest, the intellectual impairment and the diminished levels of social responsibilty is the biggest political development in the country; ably created by successive detached poor governments.
– but congratulations to the Conservatives who currently spearhead the fiasco.

 

[Patrick1]

Welcome to the wonderful world of beekeeping and beekeepers

 

[Patrick1]

As far as I can remember it was not he use of OA crystals that was the problem, it was the premixed 1lt bottles that beekeepers with just 2 hives would keep year after year, watch it gain in strength and keep using it.

 

[Beegarden]

Hivetool said:

Thanks for the replies, I'm totally confused and think I will order apibioxal , guess what I bought isn't approved

I'm lucky in Norfolk, as there is a Master Beekeeper who makes up OA trickle solution each year and gives to beekeepers who ask, in return for a donation to a charity he supports in Africa. My bees have been ok for 3 years, so far.

 

[Amari]

And for our sake - make sure you're wearing clean pants and vest.

After each encounter, in the spirit of recycling, I imagine you give the blue nitriles a quick rinse and take them back home for use in the apiary?

 

[Erichalfbee]

This is in the winter Welsh Beekeeper.
Anybody else seen this? I never have and I’ve been vaping bees with brood since 2009.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Frankly its a PITA as the options are to either buy expensive licensed product, or break the law and use unlicensed plain old OA. But if you are going to blame someone you are looking at the wrong people again. VMD does what it is instructed to do by the legal framework that the government puts in place. The person to complain to is George Eustice, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs of the United Kingdom. VMD will only look at applications presented to them. Products licensed in EU can be recognised in the UK as mutually recognised products, but its not in the remit of the VMD to submit an application for this. As far as I'm aware, no company or individual has put forward an application for plain OA as a medicinal treatment for varroa to VMD for them to assess.

Rather than being any sort of conspiracy theory, it is more likely based on economics and a return on investment. In addition, once a generic license was approved for OA, there would be nothing to stop other companies using this as a piggy back to get their own generic OA licence, therefore diluting the market share potential further. There is no intellectual property with plain OA to protect this.
Base fee for a license application is ~ £16k. For generic OA, I would image that a license dossier would probably set you back no more than £150k for consultants to put together, unless you can get someone on the forum to do this FOC. Whilst manufacturing costs would be negligible, you would need a qualified person to release product, distribution and pharmacovigilance set up to meet meet licensing requirements. might be able to do this for £50k a year. I don't know what the market capacity is for all OA treatments in the UK is, licensed or unlicensed, but to cover annual costs that a lot of OA to sell.
Unless someone is prepare to take this on as an altruistic activity, I really cant see the business sense and ultimately this drives companies to develop medicinal products. As a businessman Phil, would you have invested in a programme the had little chance of any profit?
I'm happy to talk through the regulatory requirements for product licensing from my experiences with human medicinal license applications if it helps clarify what is needed, but I cant change the legal framework that exists, whether it makes sense or not

Amazing that none of this tripe affected beekeeping prior to the licensing bandwagon started rolling. Non treating is much simpler.

 

[Bumble Bee Slim]

This is in the winter Welsh Beekeeper.
Anybody else seen this? I never have and I’ve been vaping bees with brood since 2009.
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Why have they placed eggs and mites on top of a slice of cheese on toast, is this a Welsh delicacy ?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Why have they placed eggs and mites on top of a slice of cheese on toast, is this a Welsh delicacy ?

no, but it's bound to convince some English person it is

 

[pargyle]

This is in the winter Welsh Beekeeper.
Anybody else seen this? I never have and I’ve been vaping bees with brood since 2009.
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Looks more like the afternath of trickling OA when they are brooding rather than after sublimating ?

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Looks more like the afternath of trickling OA when they are brooding rather than after sublimating ?

When someone finally figures out what the devil it really is please let us all know

 

[Finman]

When someone finally figures out what the devil it really is please let us all know

It should be clear after 20 years discussions.

If you are trickling, and brood are present, oxalic does not kill mites under brood capping .


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[jenkinsbrynmair]

 

[pargyle]

It should be clear after 20 years discussions.

If you are trickling, and brood are present, oxalic does not kill mites under brood capping .
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Finnie ... we know that ... have a look at the photo in the first post and tell us, with your expert opinion, what you think is happening ... it is supposedly after OA by sublimation but it does not look like that to any of us here ....

 

[Finman]

Finnie ... we know that ...

who "we"?

 

[Finman]

It is your only head..

 

[pargyle]

who "we"?

Most people on this forum I would imagine .... but just to be clear have you ANY idea what the photo in the post #17 above is .. ????

 

[pargyle]

This is in the winter Welsh Beekeeper.
Anybody else seen this? I never have and I’ve been vaping bees with brood since 2009.
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Here again Finnie in case you can't find it ...

 

[Finman]

Most people on this forum I would imagine .... but just to be clear have you ANY idea what the photo in the post #17 above is .. ????

No, no idea