OA dribble

[mazzamazda]

AKA Tactic

Mytten da

Apitraz is the approved treatment, Taktic and Sytraz are the homemade (Cheap) non approved treatments.

 

[Finman]

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Lasi tells, that it checked mites 10 days after oxalic acid applikation. Okay, but they should have checked after 20 and 30 days too.

Not very professional planning of the research.

Our varroa specialist has 1500 hives. And he had visited lots of apiaries, which have died for unknown reason. And the reason is mostly varroa.
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i have experience too in my apiary. What I can say is that dribbling alone is not enough. It only push down mite number for next summer so that mites are not problem during yield period.

Then to save winter brood you must kill mites before they violate winter cluster bee brood. Mostly mite kills half of cluster and totally dead is not only harm.

It is said nowadays , that drifting of mites from local hives is so big, that you cannot know from where the mites come. My professional friend tells that in his town apiary it difficult to keep hives alive because hive density is very high. There are lots of beekeepers nearby. In his rural apiaries varroa is not a problem.

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[Hivemaker.]

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Our varroa specialist has 1500 hives. And he had visited lots of apiaries, which have died for unknown reason. And the reason is mostly varroa.

If varroa is the problem they should learn how to treat for varroa.

 

[mazzamazda]

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It is said nowadays , that drifting if mites from nearby hives us so big, that you cannot know from where the mites come. My professional friend tells that in his town apiary it difficult to keep hives alive because hive density is very high. There are lots of beekeepers nearby. In his rural apiaries varroa is not a problem.

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I'm having this very problem, every year I'm losing colonies because of Varroa. My counts are low, then nearby non treaters are causing some of my colonies to crash.

 

[Finman]

I'm having this very problem, every year I'm losing colonies because of Varroa. My counts are low, then nearby non treaters are causing some of my colonies to crash.

Yes. It happens in couple of weeks, when a strong hive robb a weak mite colony.

 

[Finman]

If varroa is the problem they should learn how to treat for varroa.

If you look European varroa researches, Britain is one of the worst varroa country in Europe. Moldova is worse.

 

[mazzamazda]

If varroa is the problem they should learn how to treat for varroa.

They dont want to though, they think bees evolve in a few years

 

[mazzamazda]

Yes. It happens in couple of weeks, when a strong hive robb a weak mite colony.

Yes, also when a colony collapses it leaves stores, infected brood, loaded with up to 12 mites per bee and joins a healthy colony, one brood cycle and that colony collapses and the cycle continues.

 

[Finman]

If varroa is the problem they should learn how to treat for varroa.

Everybody should understand, that if beekeepers' average age is 60, life does not go any more so sharply as it did 15 years ago. There are times in prople's life when varroa is not the biggest thing in the world.

I know in this district 6 beekeepers.
4 are over 70 y and 2 are under 50 y.

Perhaps this is reason why beeks with 30 years experience may loose all hives to varroa.

And that 50 y old guy lost swarms really much this summer. He did not have time to make swarming inspections.

One young lady got a baby, and she saw only from window, how swarms went into woods.
Not much to extract then.

Such stories, if you know backrounds.
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[Finman]

Read somewhere that the brood should be culled before the use of varoacides... or was that just drone brood?????????????????????????

Mytten da

That it true in extreme cases. If it seems, that brood is too full of mites, destroy all brood frames, treat bees with something effective stuff, and let the colony to rear mitefree brood for winter. If the hive has pollen enough, one box of brood will appear in two weeks.


That is a key to queen prisoning too, what coloss develops now.
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[Poly Hive]

I heard that one of the nosiest voices who advocated no need to treat as the bees will survive and then we can breed from the survivors has quietly restocked at least twice.

I will continue to treat.

PH

 

[Erichalfbee]

I heard that one of the nosiest voices who advocated no need to treat as the bees will survive and then we can breed from the survivors has quietly restocked at least twice.

I will continue to treat.

PH

Who?
I agree by the way. No way am I going to not treat.

 

[Finman]

I heard that one of the nosiest voices who advocated no need to treat as the bees will survive

PH

That seems to be biggest reason to -50% dead rate in USA among back yard beekeepers.

More experienced beekeepers, over 50 hives, have only 25% losses.

. Correlation between treatment methods and losses is very clear.
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30 years ago we had lots of do nothing beekeepers, but then varroa swept them away in two years.
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[Hivemaker.]

More experienced beekeepers, over 50 hives, have only 25% losses.

Those are big losses, too big.

 

[Finman]

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Other reasons to big losses on Oregon-
50% dead outs

- top bar hives
- 5 frame nucs
- packages

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[Hivemaker.]

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Other reasons to big losses on Oregon-
50% dead outs

- top bar hives
- 5 frame nucs
- packages

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And not enough experienced beekeepers in Oregon.

 

[For want of a better word]

Those are big losses, too big.

Even 1% would be too many!
Randy Oliver implements a season round campaign against Varroa, using various compounds, drugs and snake oils that are legal in California, but with harsh controls and overpriced approved veterinary medicines for bees it is difficult to keep the Varroa load to an acceptable level in mainland UK.

I have planted rhubarb in our pollytunnel to get an early crop of leaves... seems to have made a difference utilising the large leaves as a covercloth that can be left in place over the brood chamber year round... problem is bees keep removing them!

No idea why varroa in my colonies is low..... possibly the leylines I place the colonies on???

Some kind of magic going on... when I read of the huge drops other beekeeperers near me seem to get ?

Yeghes da

 

[Hivemaker.]

Some kind of magic going on... when I read of the huge drops other beekeeperers near me seem to get ?

Must be the same magic going on here, as only seen a couple of varroa mites all season.

 

[Finman]

No idea why varroa in my colonies is low.....

Yeghes da

Varroa resisting mutations have been imported into Tamar Valley. Somebody nurses B+'s antivarroa Carniolans.

Ice Ace did not have antivarroa genes.

 

[Finman]

Must be the same magic going on here, as only seen a couple of varroa mites all season.

Those things are happening here and there. Scary.... Like corn field figures.

Here happens nothing. Boring. A sign of proper medication.