Man made v natural breeding and selection

[Beesnaturally]

I asked before if you’d give us a rough location so we can check out beebase.

You are getting perilously close to doxing. I'd suggest you clear this line of enquiry with the forum owner and your own solicitor to check your respective legal positions.

 

[Beesnaturally]

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[Erichalfbee]

You are getting perilously close to doxing. I'd suggest you clear this line of enquiry with the forum owner and your own solicitor to check your respective legal positions.

Nobody is asking for your address

 

[Ian123]

You are getting perilously close to doxing. I'd suggest you clear this line of enquiry with the forum owner and your own solicitor to check your respective legal positions.

Lol………..no it’s not close

 

[JamezF]

I've saved your posts for posterity.

Good to think that I shall be remembered for something. I was so hoping it would be for inventing strawberry-flavoured swimming trunks though.

James

 

[Erichalfbee]

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[Erichalfbee]

Thread’s open again

 

[Boston Bees]

Thread’s open again

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!! Why!!!???

 

[mbc]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!! Why!!!???

Thought provoking contributions from erudite masters of the craft

 

[user 20297]

Un-banned? Good.

 

[Fusion_power]

A knee-jerk reaction to controversy is often to bottle it up such as by closing a thread. Sometimes we need the controversy to learn and grow. I've studied this thread and learned quite a bit about social interactions among people who have a particular set of beliefs. There were several times that I thought hard about posting something but held my fingers still because it would just be stirring a pot that was already simmering.

I'm still here with my bees with no treatments since 2005. My bees are still alive and producing honey. The woods in this area are full of bee trees. A person with a few bait hives can easily gather a dozen colonies over the next 3 months. They won't have to be treated.

 

[user 20297]

A knee-jerk reaction to controversy is often to bottle it up such as by closing a thread. Sometimes we need the controversy to learn and grow. I've studied this thread and learned quite a bit about social interactions among people who have a particular set of beliefs. There were several times that I thought hard about posting something but held my fingers still because it would just be stirring a pot that was already simmering.

I'm still here with my bees with no treatments since 2005. My bees are still alive and producing honey. The woods in this area are full of bee trees. A person with a few bait hives can easily gather a dozen colonies over the next 3 months. They won't have to be treated.

.......I'm sure you're right, with no need to give "proof". Someone else saying "it's not true" or "you'll cause newcomers to kill their bees", doesn't necessarily make them wrong, but neither do they have proof.

You would think that grown-ups would know all this, and not need to stamp on each others' opinions; long live the debate.

 

[Ian123]

No controversy just a member who had been banned and rejoined under another name to access the forum is my understanding.

 

[Mint Bee]

Deal. Yes, it is my sole source of income, and has been for about 4 years now. Note however, I live alone and am seriously good at living cheaply. That way I have been able to generate investment funds, put in lots of labour - I've had to build in to my barn a kitchen, bathroom and office, with all associated costs.

Is that commercial beekeeping? Only sort of. Could I build it up now? You bet.

Thank you for this. If i doubled my numbers of hives I wouldn't want to try and survive on the income from them, so you obviously have a set up that works well for you in your location.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Marla Spivak, scientist and bee breeding specialist.
John Kefus, same.
Randy Oliver, the highly experienced and well connected 'bee science' man.
Several beekeepers here.
Several authors of papers I have posted links to here.
Probably 100 scientific authors of papers I could supply links to.
And thousands of careful and intelligent beekeepers worldwide....
...Disagree with you.

Keeping on saying it won't make it true.

Natural selection for the fittest strains is a real thing. It has been at work in bee populations for millions of years, and had operated as expected in wild and and feral populations from the moment varroa hit.

Not that it's any of my business, but are you a creationist by any chance?

I'm talking about the absolute rubbish you spout - not what they say.
I think most on here have twigged that there is a big difference
And as it happens, I'm not a creationist, but I'm sure you will continue to cast aspersions on anyone who calls out the tripe you spout
a person who has already been banned on here should stay banned

 

[Fusion_power]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I had the suspicion BN was in fact Mike S who posted here quite a bit a few years ago.

Aspersions: the root word roughly means to spray which in this case seems to have some reference to micturation.

Man made breeding is not and never will be the same as natural breeding and selection. In the case of varroa tolerance, man made selection has the potential to magnify natural processes. It also has potential to retain beekeeper friendly traits such as high honey production and mild behavior. I'm looking forward to the day when JBM posts about his varroa tolerant bees.

 

[Ian123]

I'm looking forward to the day when JBM posts about his varroa tolerant bees.

Youve missed them he’s made those posts regarding his Scutellata bees/trips already

 

[Finman]

Man made breeding is not and never will be the same as natural breeding and selection.

You are right.

First selection thing was, when a human invented movable comb, and he could find the queen on combs. But there are still beekeepers, who have not seen a queen in his/ her hives.

A good innovation was to send queens with aeroplane.

Next step was artificial insemination after WW2.

After decades I do not know what is local bee.
It would be nice to see such one day.

 

[Mabee]

Surely the only way bees can evolve through natural selection is for beekeeping to permanently cease!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

A good innovation was to send queens with aeroplane.

couldn't they make their own way to the DCA's by using their own wings?