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Oh, that would explain why the thread suddenly makes no sense.

If you are going to delete posts, can you at least leave a marker or something to explain?
 
For those who have expressed concerns....from Facebook. I have no connexions with "Bee Equipment."Bee equipment.jpg
 
Oh, that would explain why the thread suddenly makes no sense.

If you are going to delete posts, can you at least leave a marker or something to explain?
They are not deleted. They are moved out of sight and I did say I was moving them
 
Opening things out a bit... there is a biodiversity crisis, it is affecting wild native pollinators as much as anything; it is possible to do a good deal of early pollination by supporting them. So there might just be a hidden plus in this.
 
Opening things out a bit... there is a biodiversity crisis, it is affecting wild native pollinators as much as anything; it is possible to do a good deal of early pollination by supporting them. So there might just be a hidden plus in this.
Perhaps we are missing the point?
I have not seen anything of a pollination crisis..... bumbles are on the Daphne and Hellebores this sunny afternoon and I have seen honeybees too.
The rosemary is just coming into bloom.
Needless to say that fruit trees only require pollinators for a short few weeks.....
Imported bees will do nothing but upset the biodiversity that already exists in the British Isles..... often on a localised basis.
 
Thread is back again so please play nicely.
There is some really useful information particularly from ITLD
There are a few posts missing and I hope I haven't offended too many of you
 
Story will bee on Prime Time TV tonight no doubt!

Well not quite prime time, but made it onto BBC South East. Did look on the BBC website, but can't find the clip.

Did have the chair of BBKA on there, saying they are dead against any imports of bees. However, this hasn't been reported in the online article Brexit: Millions of bees could be 'destroyed' over import rules

To be honest, in my opinion (we ok legally there??) It did come across as very much the BBC picking up on a negative Brexit story, and the bees being a side story.

IMO he's had 4 years to prepare, and there has been plenty of advertising. If he is blocked from importing, then tough. Suck it up and move on. He should learn how to commercially breed himself.
 
IMO he's had 4 years to prepare, and there has been plenty of advertising. If he is blocked from importing, then tough. Suck it up and move on. He should learn how to commercially breed himself.

That's really harsh..... and missing the point too.

I can talk from neutrality on it as I have a foot in both camps...either way it goes I will be fine...but there has not been four years to prepare. (We import..mostly for others..and also home raise around 2000 queens....not counting the hive raised ones in the main unit... and 1200 nucleii per season. However they are not the same market and the idea you can fill the UK market from UK production is largely a myth that does not quite grasp the issues. If it was a REAL opportunity it would be being done by someone long ago.)

As recently as September last year the prospect was that imports of packages would still be ok.....and despite your opinion..there are a plethora of reasons they are required apart from bad or uninformed or backward beekeeping. Don't drink the bathwater of those who say they MUST be local bees...that is a half and half bit of info as there are LOTS of good bees for your area out there that were not raised there, and some people...who tend to have their methods blanked as as an inconvenient fact...place UK queens with the breeders out there to take adavntage of the early seasons and still provide a very nice UK suited bee. Painting imported bees from Italy as nothing more than ill adapted Ligustica...as seems to be fashionable on certain fora...is utterly false. These bees..even Patricks...are raised for a northern market..mainly Germany..so selling plain old ligustica as is is often stated by the wilfully ill informed (they dont want to know) would not win a customer base.

We are on a hiatus year due to taking the current rules at face value...but our guys now work only with VSH Buckfast stock with its roots in Germany Finland Poland, and the UK. They also have OUR breeder queens from Scotland over there. The prevailing info is that this WILL be sorted out but possibly not this season, so all bar one of the legal importers are doing the same as us. Bee Equipment, on the other hand, are taking a stand on the matter and they have a right to do so. I happen not to agree with him but its a big world and takes all sorts..sometimes these guys prepared to be outliers are the triggers of change.

The Christmas Eve agreement was actually anything but..it is really another kick the can down the road deal..hence the law of unintended consequences kicking in since 1st Jan. No bee deal was made so all we have is EU law rolled over into UK law, for a deal to be done at a later date..and the bees are not in any way a high priority item...economically too insignificant to be top of the negotiating queue. Important to us...yes..but in the grand scheme of trade deals we are merely a footnote.

The govt promised that there will be no barriers to trade that were not there before....always plainly
untrue as customs and taxation at the borders (both ways) could never be anything other than a new barrier. . So..on the assumption that they were telling at least a grain of truth, it is probable that..some time over the next year.....they will fix the anomaly that mutual labelling of eachother as 'third countries' has had on a wide spectrum of agricultural and especially livestock ,trade. Bees will be a couple of paragraphs somewhere in the detail of that.

So..the realisation that imports would be likely to stop only was confirmed in the autumn....but was only really confirmed early in January. Nether date allowed preparation for a stop to trade in time for spring 2021. There are going to be a lot of disappointed beekeepers out there. There already are. If they need mid April bees then Bee Equipment are your only hope for stock with a health certificate.

Demand for these bees is strong across almost all sectors...also an inconvenient fact. Many amateurs like them too.
 
That's really harsh..... and missing the point too.

I can talk from neutrality on it as I have a foot in both camps...either way it goes I will be fine...but there has not been four years to prepare. (We import..mostly for others..and also home raise around 2000 queens....not counting the hive raised ones in the main unit... and 1200 nucleii per season. However they are not the same market and the idea you can fill the UK market from UK production is largely a myth that does not quite grasp the issues. If it was a REAL opportunity it would be being done by someone long ago.)

As recently as September last year the prospect was that imports of packages would still be ok.....and despite your opinion..there are a plethora of reasons they are required apart from bad or uninformed or backward beekeeping. Don't drink the bathwater of those who say they MUST be local bees...that is a half and half bit of info as there are LOTS of good bees for your area out there that were not raised there, and some people...who tend to have their methods blanked as as an inconvenient fact...place UK queens with the breeders out there to take adavntage of the early seasons and still provide a very nice UK suited bee. Painting imported bees from Italy as nothing more than ill adapted Ligustica...as seems to be fashionable on certain fora...is utterly false. These bees..even Patricks...are raised for a northern market..mainly Germany..so selling plain old ligustica as is is often stated by the wilfully ill informed (they dont want to know) would not win a customer base.

We are on a hiatus year due to taking the current rules at face value...but our guys now work only with VSH Buckfast stock with its roots in Germany Finland Poland, and the UK. They also have OUR breeder queens from Scotland over there. The prevailing info is that this WILL be sorted out but possibly not this season, so all bar one of the legal importers are doing the same as us. Bee Equipment, on the other hand, are taking a stand on the matter and they have a right to do so. I happen not to agree with him but its a big world and takes all sorts..sometimes these guys prepared to be outliers are the triggers of change.

The Christmas Eve agreement was actually anything but..it is really another kick the can down the road deal..hence the law of unintended consequences kicking in since 1st Jan. No bee deal was made so all we have is EU law rolled over into UK law, for a deal to be done at a later date..and the bees are not in any way a high priority item...economically too insignificant to be top of the negotiating queue. Important to us...yes..but in the grand scheme of trade deals we are merely a footnote.

The govt promised that there will be no barriers to trade that were not there before....always plainly
untrue as customs and taxation at the borders (both ways) could never be anything other than a new barrier. . So..on the assumption that they were telling at least a grain of truth, it is probable that..some time over the next year.....they will fix the anomaly that mutual labelling of eachother as 'third countries' has had on a wide spectrum of agricultural and especially livestock ,trade. Bees will be a couple of paragraphs somewhere in the detail of that.

So..the realisation that imports would be likely to stop only was confirmed in the autumn....but was only really confirmed early in January. Nether date allowed preparation for a stop to trade in time for spring 2021. There are going to be a lot of disappointed beekeepers out there. There already are. If they need mid April bees then Bee Equipment are your only hope for stock with a health certificate.

Demand for these bees is strong across almost all sectors...also an inconvenient fact. Many amateurs like them too.
Haven't read your whole post yet but just wanted to type my thoughts on your UK supply being able to supply the UK market being a myth statement.
Of course uk supply could manage, it's purely price point and convenience we fail on.
If necessary we could overwinter more nucs to fill the gap, without doubt.
I'm not arguing here that we should do this, just refuting your definitive statement.
 
However they are not the same market and the idea you can fill the UK market from UK production is largely a myth that does not quite grasp the issues. If it was a REAL opportunity it would be being done by someone long ago.)

Any links to proper evidence you can supply me on this? Or is it just a myth, in your opinion?
It was never a real opportunity for anyone to do it in this country, when imports are so much cheaper. This also crosses over with the recent thread 'how much to charge for a nuc'.

Saying I'm missing the point, and there wasn't 4 years to prepare, is also incorrect. It was widely reported that we could come away with no deal. I think anyone with a brain would have realised this meant animal imports would be stopped / severely effected. Yet, certain people seem to have just buried their heads in the sand, and acted like everything will be tickety-boo.
 
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