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In the old days, when bees were kept in skeps which were burnt at the end of the season, how did the species survive?
Tricia

Wild bees were a lot more common back then- in fact probably the majority of bees had never seen a hive. Sometimes the bees would be driven out before smoking, but they mostly beekeepers relied on swarms, so selected for swarming as much as we now select against it. These were the days when a swarm of bees in May really was worth a load of hay!
 
From PH links to the FERA database : 2010 figures

90 out of 123 consignments of queens or nucs were inspected....but it doesn't say how many of each consignment was inspected. So in 2010 33 consignments were not inspected and sailed merrily into our shores.

Careful - I understand the expectation that they should all have been inspected, but if they've come from a similar source then there are other factors at play.

SHB & tropilaelaps are both apiary pests, i.e. they will not lurk isolated in one colony and leave neighbouring colonies alone. Same applies to EFB. Most of the minor ailments are triggered by stress and/or confinement, so travel will likely have made these apparent *. So if the colonies come from the same source, sampling many should be sufficient for confidence, and save the effort of sampling all. The Inspectorate have finite resources and, as you point out, there are thousands of imports to deal with, doubtless most turning up during a short time window.

Ever tested for nosema? How many bees do you need? 30 bees for a 90% certainty of a 10% infection, IIRC, in a colony of 10,000 or more individuals. Clearly you could test 300, or even 3,000 bees, but since they are from the same source then whilst you are improving your accuracy you have to think about effort vs. return. For total confidence, test every bee; it'll take you a fortnight, and you'll end up with a very accurate diagnosis and a dead colony.

Bear in mind also that some of those consignments may have come with European certificates of health at point of dispatch. Why use limited resources inspecting that which was inspected a couple of days ago and found apparently healthy, when there are others coming in from other sources which have more potential for problems?

Pressure on the government to provide more resources for more inspection would be good, but unlikely to bear fruit in this climate. Pressure on beekeepers or government to cease imports - with no alternative arrangement in place - will simply produce (enlarge?) a black market. Do not kid yourself that there are no illegal imports now; with the halting of legal imports then these will become more appealing, not less.

This seems to have snowballed from the initial general concern - many imports close to Ron Hoskin's breeding effort. Maybe best to try to deal with that first before getting bogged down in changing everything? :)


* ever stopped to wonder why imported bees show high levels of stress/confinement diseases...?
 
Response from Co-op

Sounds like a really bad idea to me - importation on any level is risky, never mind on a large scale like this.
I'd be interested to see what the Co-op's response to this will be. It would be a great shame if all the support they have voiced for british beekeeping turns out to be hollow.

I've done well - replies this week both from my MP re insecticides and Co-op re Gloucestershire project. May as well copy the text of this one to you:


'Thanks for your enquiry into our Bee Keeping project at Down Ampney (Gloucestershire) and Tillington (Herefordshire). We will shortly be announcing details of the project publically.

The Co-operative is working in partnership with Denrosa Honey to introduce 600 hives to its farms in Gloucestershire and Herefordshire.

The bees are being sourced by Murray McGregor (MD of Denrosa), one of the UK's largest, and most experienced bee keepers. Due to the lack of availability of native British black bees, the queens, of north European origin, are being imported from New Zealand.

All the equipment for the new hives is being sourced as new and the highest standards of biosecurity will be practiced. The bees will be rigorously inspected at source and a stringent licensing and export certification scheme in place. The bees are then inspected again on installation. A full sampling and analysis will be done on all the imported units at the appropriate UK lab. We have invited the local bee inspectorate to work with us from day one, and are working with a former bee inspector throughout the set-up process.

We are actively supporting the increase in numbers of native British black bees through our work with the Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association (BIBBA) to map locations of the native British bee (apis mellifera mellifera) and breed from confirmed native colonies. Initial results of this project are expected later in the year. In addition, we are supporting pollinators through the giveaway of wildflower seeds and undertaking trials on our farms to grow wildflowers in field margins.

The Co-operative is proud to support British bees, and bee keepers, and will be inviting local associations and school children on to the farm to visit the hives and learn more about them. We already have visits organised with local bee keepers associations in Herefordshire, as well as bee farmers and other interested members of the community.

Kind regards'

Still unclear whether they are importing queens (as stated) or whole packages as the fourth paragraph tends to suggest?
 
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from the plan bee project... apologies for the lack of formatting!

Hello Pete Thanks for your enquiry into our Bee Keeping project at Down Ampney (Gloucestershire) and Tillington (Herefordshire). We will shortly be announcing details of the project publically. The Co-operative is working in partnership with Denrosa Honey to introduce 600 hives to its farms in Gloucestershire and Herefordshire. The bees are being sourced by Murray McGregor (MD of Denrosa), one of the UK's largest, and most experienced bee keepers. Due to the lack of availability of native British black bees, the queens, of north European origin, are being imported from New Zealand. All the equipment for the new hives is being sourced as new and the highest standards of biosecurity will be practiced. The bees will be rigorously inspected at source and a stringent licensing and export certification scheme in place. The bees are then inspected again on installation. A full sampling and analysis will be done on all the imported units at the appropriate UK lab. We have invited the local bee inspectorate to work with us from day one, and are working with a former bee inspector throughout the set-up process. We are actively supporting the increase in numbers of native British black bees through our work with the Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association (BIBBA) to map locations of the native British bee (apis mellifera mellifera) and breed from confirmed native colonies. Initial results of this project are expected later in the year. In addition, we are supporting pollinators through the giveaway of wildflower seeds and undertaking trials on our farms to grow wildflowers in field margins. The Co-operative is proud to support British bees, and bee keepers, and will be inviting local associations and school children on to the farm to visit the hives and learn more about them. We already have visits organised with local bee keepers associations in Herefordshire, as well as bee farmers and other interested members of the community. Kind regards Naomi
 
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looks like we have recieved a blanket email!
 
I received exactly the same email.

I have an idea, let's support the British black bee by importing foreign queens. That ought to do it.

Ian
 
Yup! Confused as to what part BIBBA is playing in this. Anyone know?

Anyone else care to interpret whether this is queens or packages?

:confused:
 
Queens, of north European origin, are being imported from New Zealand.
 
maybe we should all formute the same response and blanket email them!
 
Queens, of north European origin, are being imported from New Zealand.

Yes, Hivemaker, but I'm not sure if this is consistent with:
'The bees will be rigorously inspected at source and a stringent licensing and export certification scheme in place. The bees are then inspected again on installation. A full sampling and analysis will be done on all the imported units at the appropriate UK lab.'


Just queens?
 
BIBBA has nothing to do with these NZ bees and I am fairly confident that they are packages.

The problem, as I see it, is that the coop have got into bed with a bee farmer who relies on regular imports rather than one who breeds his own bees from local stock.

Dil
 
I am of north European origin, albeit a few hundred years ago. I am not however a queen.

Ian
What a relief that must be for you Ian,you may of ended up in a coop, Bibba, beehive.
 
COOP reply at last

"Hello Richard

Thanks for your enquiry into our Bee Keeping project at Down Ampney (Gloucestershire) and Tillington (Herefordshire). We will shortly be announcing details of the project publically.

The Co-operative is working in partnership with Denrosa Honey to introduce 600 hives to its farms in Gloucestershire and Herefordshire.

The bees are being sourced by Murray McGregor (MD of Denrosa), one of the UK's largest, and most experienced bee keepers. Due to the lack of availability of native British black bees, the queens, of north European origin, are being imported from New Zealand.

All the equipment for the new hives is being sourced as new and the highest standards of biosecurity will be practiced. The bees will be rigorously inspected at source and a stringent licensing and export certification scheme in place. The bees are then inspected again on installation. A full sampling and analysis will be done on all the imported units at the appropriate UK lab. We have invited the local bee inspectorate to work with us from day one, and are working with a former bee inspector throughout the set-up process.

We are actively supporting the increase in numbers of native British black bees through our work with the Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association (BIBBA) to map locations of the native British bee (apis mellifera mellifera) and breed from confirmed native colonies. Initial results of this project are expected later in the year. In addition, we are supporting pollinators through the giveaway of wildflower seeds and undertaking trials on our farms to grow wildflowers in field margins.

The Co-operative is proud to support British bees, and bee keepers, and will be inviting local associations and school children on to the farm to visit the hives and learn more about them. We already have visits organised with local bee keepers associations in Herefordshire, as well as bee farmers and other interested members of the community.

Kind regards

Naomi"
 
You cant expect some person in the Co-op to write an individual response to every beekeeper who has sent them a letter or email.
 
You cant expect some person in the Co-op to write an individual response to every beekeeper who has sent them a letter or email.

Why not? We took the trouble to write individual letters to them rather than repeats of a group rant.

Oh, sorry, forgot, businesses don't treat customers as individuals, we're all sheep. Better remember that when we all take our custom elsewhere.
 
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