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You recently mentioned that some beekeeper with black Welsh bees had received their DNA/Mitochondrial DNA test results.
Are you (or anyone else) prepared to let us know what degree of purity they found?
 
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You recently mentioned that some beekeeper with black Welsh bees had received their DNA/Mitochondrial DNA test results.
Are you (or anyone else) prepared to let us know what degree of purity they found?

I've had my results back but have been asked by the chap doing the PhD (Dylan Elen, Bangor university)not to divulge them until he's published.
I can say that I'm pleased.
 
And if his work is unpublishable as in scientifically unacceptable
Will you still divulge :D
 
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Peer review. Before a journal publishes a paper they will have it reviewed by several academics who will advise whether or not they think it should be published.

I thought that’s what someone might say.
There’s plenty that appears published that is not peer reviewed, surely; articles in hobby and commercial. Look at a lot of the stuff Randy Oliver publishes. Is that peer reviewed? Does that make it any the less valuable? It’s not a treatment for cancer, after all.
 
I thought that’s what someone might say.
There’s plenty that appears published that is not peer reviewed, surely; articles in hobby and commercial. Look at a lot of the stuff Randy Oliver publishes. Is that peer reviewed? Does that make it any the less valuable? It’s not a treatment for cancer, after all.

A paper for a PhD is slightly different in that it must be accepted by the university before publication.
There will be no problem with his paper, Dylan is a studious young man.
 
It's a thesis you write for your PhD, not a paper. Scientific papers are subject to peer review i.e make sure data fits what you are saying and not just backing up your own pet hypothesis. A PhD Thesis forms the basis for your defence in a viva. Depending on the subject material it may or may not contain enough data or data of relevance for a paper be written from it.
What is unusual is the degree of secrecy here. Studying the genetic composition of Welsh mongrel bees is hardly a competitive science so very doubtful anyone will beat him to a publication about it ...
 
The B4 ( Bring Back Black Bees) CIC has amassed and collated a lot of data supporting the now well known fact that the UK population of Apis mellifera mellifera was not wiped out during the last century and in fact large pockets remain very much extant in certain areas ( notably Northumberland, highlands and islands of Scotland, Wales and Cornwall and Isle of Man)

Much of this information by its very nature has been collected by University Departments and Government bodies and often as part of research work is not published as being someones Intellectual Property (IP) also information, particularly when extensive DNA sequencing has been undertaken, has been obtained at a considerable financial cost.

If you care to look on the BIBBA web pages, you will find that there are a couple of events relating to native bees this weekend ( Saturday 15th February 2020)

The B4 event in Cornwall will have presentations from some of the leading scientist studying our native bee, you would need to be there to hear the new revelations.

Chons da
 
It's a thesis you write for your PhD, not a paper. Scientific papers are subject to peer review i.e make sure data fits what you are saying and not just backing up your own pet hypothesis. A PhD Thesis forms the basis for your defence in a viva. Depending on the subject material it may or may not contain enough data or data of relevance for a paper be written from it.
What is unusual is the degree of secrecy here. Studying the genetic composition of Welsh mongrel bees is hardly a competitive science so very doubtful anyone will beat him to a publication about it ...
It's not unusual for most people, it's commonly known as courtesy.
 
Thesis? Paper? Secrecy?
Does it matter?
He’s not going to make the figures up surely and they will be out there no matter what coat they are dressed up in.
 
He’s not going to make the figures up surely

It is not common, but does happen that an occasional rogue researcher massages their data slightly to fit in with their own pet theories. Which is why peer review is so important.
 
It is not common, but does happen that an occasional rogue researcher massages their data slightly to fit in with their own pet theories. Which is why peer review is so important.

Sigh..........
I for one am eagerly awaiting the results. As Ceri and Steve seem happy with what they know already I am even more eager even though I keep yellow bees. That these results might be fake never ever crossed my mind.
 
Sigh..........
I for one am eagerly awaiting the results. As Ceri and Steve seem happy with what they know already I am even more eager even though I keep yellow bees. That these results might be fake never ever crossed my mind.

Whose saying that these particular results might be fake?
I'm certainly not.
Like yourself, I shall have wait patiently until they are made publically available.
Wish I'd never asked the initial question now :D
 
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