Do you have VSH Queens

[Repwoc]

And Bees, mites and viruses: assessing the risk to South African crop pollinators

 

[Ian123]

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/members/oxnatbees.8272/Surely you should be aware of the difference in SA with its scuttelata and cape bee capensis. Quoting this in regards to AMM and tolerance to varroa is just wrong on so many levels. https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/members/bazzer.17176/As to acceptable research take a good look at the U.S research organisations/Universities, in particular those that worked on small cell claims. There’s a prime example of claiming tolerance that had other factors at play, namely Africanised. You need evidence that will be taken seriously by the beekeeping industry and serious beeks, something proven from unbiased sources or those with an agenda. As a scientist you should be used to peer reviews of any such claims or findings from an individual.

 

[Mint Bee]

As a scientist and someone who is aiming to build up my colonies of varroa resistant bees to >50 next year I am interested to know what research you think will provide a "clue to their validity"?

As a scientist i would have thought that it was obvious that the validity of your work is proven by independent replication of this, multiple time, in multiple locations. Until that point it is a local observation that may or may not be valid with other variables.

To all that that have new observational based theories, why not publish your research in one of the bee journals, or even better a general peer reviewed science journals so that this can be looked at?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

 

[Bumble Bee Slim]

VSH? My bees changed from Beetamax to digital years ago. Sorry, I'll get my coat.

 

[Finman]

It will be a long time for the UK but maybe this will be the only Brexit benefit? There are already some areas where everyone has agreed not to treat their bees - with time the survivors in these areas will dominate the genetics and they will then start to spread.

It takes long time, maybe....

And somewhere every one allready has mite resistant bees.

OK. That is really new information.

Survivors.... survivors from what event? Ice Age?

Are you that guy whose name has been Apple?

 

[Finman]

Now we stand in front of future that I can say. Thanks to Brexit.

 

[Ian123]

It will be a long time for the UK but maybe this will be the only Brexit benefit? There are already some areas where everyone has agreed not to treat their bees - with time the survivors in these areas will dominate the genetics and they will then start to spread.

What areas in the uk has everyone agreed not to treat their bees.! I’ve not seen a BFA NBU or a BBKA announcement, even then many are not members of association’s

 

[Bazzer]

As a scientist i would have thought that it was obvious that the validity of your work is proven by independent replication of this, multiple time, in multiple locations. Until that point it is a local observation that may or may not be valid with other variables.

To all that that have new observational based theories, why not publish your research in one of the bee journals, or even better a general peer reviewed science journals so that this can be looked at?

I agree that it would be very interesting to carry out an independent replication of my breeding programme but I can't see how the many variables such as geography, starting genetics, weather etc could be precisely repeated What I think is more important is to demonstrate that is it possible to obtain a treatment-free population that is stable over the long-term and which exhibits acceptable performance using conventional bee-keeping practices. I will be working towards evidencing this with as many colonies as I can handle and will be looking to get the results independently verified and published. I know others are working along similar lines so you will see it can be done in different locations too.

 

[Bazzer]

What areas in the uk has everyone agreed not to treat their bees.! I’ve not seen a BFA NBU or a BBKA announcement, even then many are not members of association’s

I think BIBBA would be a better place to find out.

 

[Bazzer]

It takes long time, maybe....

And somewhere every one allready has mite resistant bees.

OK. That is really new information.

Survivors.... survivors from what event? Ice Age?

Are you that guy whose name has been Apple?

Survivors are the colonies that continue to flourish year after year despite everyone saying they should be dead from lack of mite treatment - are you thinking of Steve Jobs?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think BIBBA would be a better place to find out.

well they must be keeping it a secret then, with something as momentous as a whole region deciding to go TF you think they'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops.
Although, to be honest, I don't seem to read them including VSH bees anywhere in their mission statement.

 

[Bazzer]

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/members/oxnatbees.8272/Surely you should be aware of the difference in SA with its scuttelata and cape bee capensis. Quoting this in regards to AMM and tolerance to varroa is just wrong on so many levels. https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/members/bazzer.17176/As to acceptable research take a good look at the U.S research organisations/Universities, in particular those that worked on small cell claims. There’s a prime example of claiming tolerance that had other factors at play, namely Africanised. You need evidence that will be taken seriously by the beekeeping industry and serious beeks, something proven from unbiased sources or those with an agenda. As a scientist you should be used to peer reviews of any such claims or findings from an individual.

I do know a littleabout the small cell work and claims. My only overlap with them is that I use foundationless frames in my national hives so the bees can build whatever cell size they want. I am looking to build evidence that a stable treatment-free population can be produced- I am not advancing any theory of what the mechanisms are - they are clearly multifactorial and I would suspect they vary in importance between colonies.

 

[Bazzer]

well they must be keeping it a secret then, with something as momentous as a whole region deciding to go TF you think they'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops.
Although, to be honest, I don't seem to read them including VSH bees anywhere in their mission statement.

This area has already grown into a region! Not surprising they have kept it to themselves is it?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Well you are the one who claims to be the one in the know, so why don't you tell us all where this alleged area/region is then?
Or is the 'area' just the spare space behind someone's garden shed?

 

[Ian123]

I do know a littleabout the small cell work and claims. My only overlap with them is that I use foundationless frames

As a scientist why do you have any overlap, small cell has been peer reviewed and found to be bunkum based on Africanised bees. As to bibba not sure I’d look to them for anything, would we be right in assuming then that your EVERYONE is a few bibba members?I remember them wanting black bees now the core value is local please what is this area/region of none treaters.

 

[Murox]

I watch in horror and consternation with what’s going on. It confirms the hearsay, it could change reality. Why are so few people talking about it?

 

[Ian123]

Or is the 'area' just the spare space behind someone's garden shed?

Region behind the shed please!!!!

 

[Finman]

Survivors are the colonies that continue to flourish year after year despite everyone saying they should be dead from lack of mite treatment - are you thinking of Steve Jobs?

Steve Jobs have nothing to do with honeybee survivors. Meither Einstein. There is no country on globe, where honeybees have vanished for varroa.

Bazzer, it seems that you have such knowledge, which no one else did not have.

But Bazzer, I can see from one senyence that you are not an expert in this area.

You say that survivors flourish year after year when others are died.

If you bother to read about survivors, they are just and just alive. Like Russian bee's typical winter cluster is 3 frames, it cannot build up in spring, even a tiny colony stays alive to the Spring.
Same in Gotland Sweden. From 150 mite tolerant moved colonies only 30 are alive now. Their winter cluster size is now after 10 years typically 3 frames. Such colony cannot go over winter in Finland. And such colony cannot get joney yield in the UK.

I think Bazzer, that you are more believer than a beebreeder. If you are right in your opinions, we would not have varroa issue on this globe.
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[Finman]

I watch in horror and consternation with what’s going on. It confirms the hearsay, it could change reality. Why are so few people talking about it?

It has been talked about these same things 20 years as long as reasonable internet has bee existed. Nothing reality have changed during these 20 years.

20 years ago it was written in Internet that mite resistant bees are easy to develope. Stop killing mites. Let them kill the hives and take offsprings from survivors many have done that it is sad to follow.

Honeybee is the only domestic animal where a human let the pest flourish in peace