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Just had a thought ...

I experimented with some 'soft' crown boards last year, using clear plastic from a storm-damaged polytunnel. That could be a low-cost way of 'testing the water', so to speak.

It's perfectly possible to see the general state of activity through the plastic, but as it lies directly on top of the frame top bars, the girls eventually propolise much of it.

I've since acquired a large quantity of Foamex(tm) - which is a strange name, as it isn't foam: more like uPVC - which I'll be making all my crown boards from in future.
LJ
 
Just had a thought ...

I experimented with some 'soft' crown boards last year, using clear plastic from a storm-damaged polytunnel. That could be a low-cost way of 'testing the water', so to speak.

It's perfectly possible to see the general state of activity through the plastic, but as it lies directly on top of the frame top bars, the girls eventually propolise much of it.

I've since acquired a large quantity of Foamex(tm) - which is a strange name, as it isn't foam: more like uPVC - which I'll be making all my crown boards from in future.
LJ

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Thats all we use. A sheet of thick polythene. They always build a little underneath it where it touches the top of the frames, So i suppose they keep the route "over the top" open.
"Poly doo dar" might be all very well but its very expensive for what it is when you've got more than a few hives.
In the winter, like now, you can put insulation directly on the polythene, first we use a reflective 2 layer bubble wrap on top of the polythene. Then the standard insulation. In our case Styrofoam.
In the summer a square of carpet on top of the polythene. Thats all you need.
You can peel back half the plastic if you want, You dont disturb bees too much or as much as you like. We dont think crown boards are needed!
There is no humidity on the plastic, (underneath, bee side). Whats not to like.
You can see your bees if you want, you dont disturb them.
If you want to feed candy you cut a small u shape in the plastic and fold it back Size of a normal feeder hole. Fold it back if you dont need it. The other bonus is it slows down propolisation between the top of the brood box or nuc (or whatever your using) and the plastic as it seals instantly flush and the bees dont seee a need to propolise it further. really useful if your using poly nucs as it stops them welding the boxes together, possible resulting in future damage when you prize the two apart with a hive tool.

In the summer you can easily see if their ready for another super, working with two of you, you literally whip off the plastic, with a sharp rip, before the bees know whats happening, your colleague has placed the new super on top and your on to the next one. Ive only learnt this in the last year. Lots of professionals dont use crown boards any more in France.
Plastic from a tunnel is excellent. its thick and bends, not brittle. We've actually just bought some from a poly tunnel supplier to cut up for next season.
I can tell all you sceptics out there i was horrified at the thought of ditching crown boards, but once you get your head around it, its completely logical, practical, cheaper and a more effective way of managing your bees (whatever you use poly carb, Poly doo dar or celotext). I have sheets on all my nucs, Production hives and Mini-Plus mating Nucs. I think its the way to go. i suggest anyone to have a go. You may well be completely surprised.
 
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To be honest I would rather look inside to see if I need another super and while I'm there I'll also check for swarm cells


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The best material to use is glass - but which is difficult for the amateur to work with.
LJ

The downside of glass is that it's a very good conductor of heat, whilst polycarb is not .. so more heat kept in the hive where it's needed.

I've had 6mm polycarb crownboards almost since I started keeping bees - mostly made from either offcuts purchased on ebay or latterly from redundant shower doors 'found' at the local recycling centre. I would not be without them - they don't replace 'proper' inspections during the season but for a quick look to see if another super is needed - very useful.

It's easy to cut with either a table saw or a band saw, drills really well and despite what some people are suggesting (who clearly have not used them) it does not scratch that easily .. I scrape off burr comb with my hive tool and I don't see any serious deterioration in their clarity.

It's also very interesting (for an amateur, slightly upgraded, former two hive owner and not a proper beekeeper) to be able to stand and watch what bees are doing .... I run top beespace in my Paynes polys so I have a 6mm frame round the crown boards to facilitate this ... there are nearly always bees on the top of the frames and I find it fascinating.
 
yup

Nope! Perspex is Poly(methyl)methacrylate And neitherbof them is scratch-proof. Resistant maybe, but not 'proof'.


They are both plastics, mind. Just polymers of different monomers. Merry Christmas.
 
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I just use polythene sheets as per Richard - if they get gummed up with propolis chuck them out. Feeding slabs of fondant? Cut a hole in it and place fondant over. Only downside I have found is on a very windy day you need three pairs of hands to keep everything in place.
 
The downside of glass is that it's a very good conductor of heat, whilst polycarb is not .. so more heat kept in the hive where it's needed.

So put a few inches of expanded polystyrene over your crown board ...

As for Perspex vs Polycarbonate scratch removal - wouldn't you think that fighter aircraft canopies would be made from polycarbonate ? ... but they're not - they're made from Perspex (acrylic), so that light scratches can be easily polished out.

It may be that your polycarbonate is of a more recent type, which has a layer of scratch-resistant material bonded to it during manufacture - but not all polycarbonate is made in this way. The extra layer was added precisely because of it's tendency to easily scratch.
LJ
 
So put a few inches of expanded polystyrene over your crown board ...

As for Perspex vs Polycarbonate scratch removal - wouldn't you think that fighter aircraft canopies would be made from polycarbonate ? ... but they're not - they're made from Perspex (acrylic), so that light scratches can be easily polished out.

It may be that your polycarbonate is of a more recent type, which has a layer of scratch-resistant material bonded to it during manufacture - but not all polycarbonate is made in this way. The extra layer was added precisely because of it's tendency to easily scratch.
LJ


Wot U want is LEXAN... tad expensive but have had one 18 x18 sheet in use since we used to make "bullet proof" *** screens and doors for banks, high end jewelers and the like!... clear as the day it came off the mill!

*** Tested at Home office facility somewhere near Borstal in Kent... not allowed to say where... passed the test against 9mm but could not be tested against a sawn off shotgun, because that was an illegal device.. Lexan sheet was 6mm.

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So put a few inches of expanded polystyrene over your crown board ...

LJ

I do that as well (about 100mm at least) but I think the polycarb to start with is a really good initial insulator - and it does not shatter when you drop your hive tool on it ... it's a no brainer for me compared to glass.
 
Really chuffed with this recent purchase and delivery.

Smash proof, scratch proof, 5mm polycarbonate sheet cut as ordered to bespoke proportions to the millimetre.

Looking forward to being able to see how my bees are, how their fondant etc is being consumed etc without having to take the roof of their home every time.

And particularly keen to finally be able to show friends and family the inside workings of the hive without disturbance and much ease.

I'm pleased. May order a few more for the other hives for spring.

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Was well chuffed with mine also. Great for peaking in when no need to open. Some say they can cause condensation and drip onto the bees. I slightly tilted mine and seen bees actually drinking it.
 
I see so it is the material regardless of weather it is single or double thickness, in the building trade of days gone bye that single thickness sheet would be called perspex.

arrrrgh ... not again... Here in a beekeeping forum a confusion is no big deal but I have recently had someone reviewing an important document confuse the two
 
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