Cheeky Buggers!

[Norton Caff]

Having been a treasurer of a division and filled in the excel document which has to be uploaded can I suggest that this might be due to carelessness/ accident / human error. When filling in details for several people such a mistake is easily made and maybe not deliberate. The program takes all the uploaded details and then generates receipts for people. I made this very mistake more than once and it was only in the proof reading did my mistakes show.

 

[psafloyd]

When renewing my BBKA membership I made a point of not ticking the gift Aid box on the form, two reasons, 1. I didn't want to and 2. I think they get enough out of me without claiming from my tax.
My Brother who is self employed and only works a couple of days a week as a handyman/gardener also didn't tick the box because he has to be careful being a low earner.
having checked my receipt that I have been sent I noticed that it says I have opted for gift aid! erm, no, I didn't!

clearly when they received my form they have ticked the box for me! I will be contacting my brother to see if they have done the same to him and then the club sec or treasurer to have this rectified.

It feels like walking past a beggar on the street only to find him with his hand in my pocket! not amused!

Its my choice whether I do gift aid not theirs, I do some gift aid to worthy causes but that's because I want to

Anyone else opted out or thought they had?

You must be a direct member, birdsandbees, as BBKA has been collecting Gift Aid from direct members for the past year, apparently.

If this is not the case, please get in touch via DM.

YOu should take it up with them if you did not do that. I've had cause to get people to correct records because some joker thought it was clever to answer certain questions which I had refused to answer on my behalf.

When I was challenged, I made it clear I was entitled to correct my information and that if this had been done on purpose, someone was in effect interfering with personal information.

 

[psafloyd]

If you are lucky enough to pay income tax then BBKA as a registered charity can claim additional cash from government under the gift aid scheme.
This money goes back into the BBKA coffers to help fund branches and the branches then fund beekeeping education... one hopes!

I tick the box for gift aid.. at least I know my money is going into something other than funding Trident or ridiculous state visits from would be despots!

Yeghes da

Yes, I do the same for my association, not BBKA, but BBKA doesn't know that they can claim it as they cannot possibly know the tax status of birdsandbees.

 

[psafloyd]

I get how it works but surely it my choice not the decision of the BBKA club Treasurer, don't they get enough from the adopt a hive business...

No, of course not.

 

[psafloyd]

You've really got the wrong end of the stick on gift aid - if you pay income tax and a charity are in a position to claim gift aid then they get the tax you have paid on your donation - straight back from the Government's coffers into their's. It doesn't cost you anything and if you are a higher rate tax payer then the charity benefits from being able to claim the higher rate of tax back.

I'm no lover of what the BBKA do with our subscriptions but to be fair I would rather see the tax I pay in a charities coffers than in the Government's pot. Bit mean to deny them the addtional cash but I don't think they should be ticking boxes on the assumption you WANT to do it ... typical of the BBKA though - they are good at making uninformed decisions on behalf of their members !

It's quite clear that the donor must give permission for them to be able to collect Gift Aid.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-gift-aid/overview

 

[psafloyd]

I will take it up with the club tomorrow evening as it's the monthly meeting (if they turn up, last month it was just my brother and I) the form was just one sheet with BDI details amount payable etc then the Gift aid was at the bottom the form.

If you are a member via a division of an association, I believe they should not have claimed your Gift Aid.

I'd be interested in knowing more once you get the details settled.

 

[psafloyd]

Personally I don't give money to charities, i have seen too many people getting rich that way and the poor people that need it end up with a very small percentage. I will send anything to anybody who is in need.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/jan/30/gift-aid-hidden-catch

We use the Sue Ryder scheme and have raised a surprising amount extra as a result of the sales.

 

[alfazer]

I thought a charity needed you to give them your National Insurance number to claim gift aid, or is that not the case?

 

[pargyle]

It's quite clear that the donor must give permission for them to be able to collect Gift Aid.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-gift-aid/overview

Totally agree ... Isn't that what I said ?

 

[amigadave]

I thought a charity needed you to give them your National Insurance number to claim gift aid, or is that not the case?

Name and address is all that's required (well, and consent, obviously).

 

[psafloyd]

Totally agree ... Isn't that what I said ?

Not arguing, pargyle, just showing anyone who doesn't believe it.

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[simoncav]

The rules on Gift Aid are that it can only be claimed once per donation.

The BBKA policy is that it only claims gift aid from direct members with their consent.

It does not claim on any members joining/renewing via local Associations as many are charities in their own right and may wish to claim gift aid themselves.

Simon - BBKA Trustee

 

[birdsandbees]

thanks that makes things clearer,

having checked, you are correct.


********* Beekeepers’ Association is a member of The British Beekeepers Association (BBKA) registered charity: England and Wales no. 212025.

so it's my local branch that is solely at fault.

 

[thorn]

If you don't pay enough income tax to cover it, you will be liable to HMRC for the overclaimed amount

Reference, please. I would have thought that the claimant would be liable to refund the over claimed amount.

 

[MuswellMetro]

Reference, please. I would have thought that the claimant would be liable to refund the over claimed amount.

The donation is in the past was supposed to be show on the donator's tax return,and the donator's taxable income was reduced by the donation and therefore the donator's liable to pay was reduced by the 20%

The HMRC then gave the 20% tax overpaid to the charity, so if the donator paid no UK tax and the HMRC had given the charity the 20% then the donator got a a tax bill.......it was all simplified over 20 years ago

my first job was a HM Examiner of Surtax....gift aidt was limited to standard rate after a large amount of tax avoidance when Surtax was raised to 110% on top sliced income.....yep £1.10 in the £1...1968

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Surtax was raised to 110% on top sliced income.....yep £1.10 in the £1...1968

Legalised theft - was there any wonder high earners moved abroad?

 

[psafloyd]

thanks that makes things clearer,

having checked, you are correct.


********* Beekeepers’ Association is a member of The British Beekeepers Association (BBKA) registered charity: England and Wales no. 212025.

so it's my local branch that is solely at fault.

Good, I'm glad to hear it, or that would have flown in the face of BBKA policy.

Do take it up with your division/association, as people cannot assume consent.