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My moral compass says that I for one would never buy anything from Weald Farm, even if hives were substantially cheaper.

Im with Nick on this one
 
My moral compass says that I for one would never buy anything from Weald Farm, even if hives were substantially cheaper.

Im with Nick on this one


As much as i disagree with his business model, i bought my best bees from him at the start of the year. They have been the most gentle and productive bees out of the 5 hives i have.

Would i buy from him again? Maybe! If it was Cash on Delivery and the price was right, i have done stranger things in the past! :eek:
 
Im with Nick on this one

Me too, but only in so far as dealing with WPF. What anyone else (as in his suppliers) might do would not deter me from using their (the suppliers) services (re his reference to MB supplying the hives).
 
Bit of a storm in a teacup this one, but that has never stopped me chipping in before...;)

I think Nic has a valid point. Many businesses take great care as to who they do business with. This is why multinationals have such large PR departments - to put out the right message to their potential customers.
Why would any well-respected, established business want to risk appearing to have some connection with another business that was perceived to be dodgy?
Obviously, they would make a judgement about whether the perceived connection is likely to do their reputation any harm.
 
... Many businesses take great care as to who they do business with. ...

Its hard to control who your customers are. Even if your Credit Control Dept is over-protective.
But businesses can and (sometimes) do select their suppliers on criteria other than lowest cost for acceptable product quality. Hey, some of us end-users do that too!

I don't think even The Body Shop ever vetted their customers, though they were famously rigorous about their suppliers.
 
Many businesses take great care as to who they do business with.
Why would any well-respected, established business want to risk appearing to have some connection with another business that was perceived to be dodgy?
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MB or Paradise honey and Paynes,plus other suppliers don't,so i suppose they must be percieved as dodgy as well.
 
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Its hard to control who your customers are. Even if your Credit Control Dept is over-protective.
But businesses can and (sometimes) do select their suppliers on criteria other than lowest cost for acceptable product quality. Hey, some of us end-users do that too!

I don't think even The Body Shop ever vetted their customers, though they were famously rigorous about their suppliers.

Good points. It makes no sense at all to try and stop onward sales because of a question over the purchasers previous/ongoing problems. I can't remember reading anything about WPB setting out to rip people off, to me it sounds more like things simply spiralled out of control -possibly due to expanding too quickly. I can't help thinking that in retrospect they would have been better off hiring a professional office manager.

WPB may even see this new direction as an opportunity to save their company and pay off outstanding debts -something whch they'll need to do if they intend to stay in business supplying the relatively small beekeeping community.
 
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Its hard to control who your customers are. Even if your Credit Control Dept is over-protective.
But businesses can and (sometimes) do select their suppliers on criteria other than lowest cost for acceptable product quality. Hey, some of us end-users do that too!

I don't think even The Body Shop ever vetted their customers, though they were famously rigorous about their suppliers.

When the "customer" is a retailer who may appear to be their UK stockist you can bet that a company will scrutinise them.
This is not really comparable to suggesting that every company has to vet every customer that they do business with.
 
MB or Paradise honey and Paynes,plus other suppliers don't,so i suppose they must be percieved as dodgy as well.

I think that was the original point wasn't it? Why would these businesses want to risk a perceived link with WPF?
Being linked with what could be characterised as a "toxic" business could also be bad for them. It doesn't seem to be such an outlandish theory to me.
 
I think that was the original point wasn't it? Why would these businesses want to risk a perceived link with WPF?
Being linked with what could be characterised as a "toxic" business could also be bad for them. It doesn't seem to be such an outlandish theory to me.

I agree,got that sorted then,so that makes them all dodgy.
 
I agree,got that sorted then,and they are all dodgy.

No, I never suggested they were all dodgy. I haven't even suggested that WPF is dodgy.
Just sticking up for the point made by Nic that it is quite normal for a company to consider whether it wants to be seen to be linked with another company. It happens everyday.
 
When the "customer" is a retailer who may appear to be their UK stockist you can bet that a company will scrutinise them.
This is not really comparable to suggesting that every company has to vet every customer that they do business with.

Just thought of a good example to illustrate this point...
When I used to work for Reebok they refused to sell to ASDA because they felt that being sold in a supermarket 'de-valued' the image of their product that they wanted to project to their customers.
No doubt they could have made a fortune selling trainers to ASDA, but they chose not to.
 
I don't think even The Body Shop ever vetted their customers, though they were famously rigorous about their suppliers.

Not so much now they are owned by L'Oreal. More lipservice to the bodyshop ethics now alot of what is produced is now produced in other L'Oreal factories. they have closed most of their littlehampton sites down now.
 
I hate to be realistic but the dodgy folk on this planet actually have most of the money.

And whats worse the non dodgy folk keep given them more money.

So if you want to make any money at all you are regularly going to have to deal with dodgy folk. The trick is to be able to sleep at night afterwards.
 

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