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Heather

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Hi, Long time no chat- good to be back. I have lost 5 colonies now to wasps, and, even today with December looming those wasps are still flying. As the AH is now about 20 miles away I want to buy more Apishield wasp trap floors for my nationals, but cannot find a supplier anywhere. Anyone know of a source?
 
What were the hive strengths of these colonies, Heather?



All on 8 to 9 frames in Nationals.various temperaments. All with full super under brood, mouse guards on with reduced entrances. I may go for under hive entrances on a few as cheaper. Although I had 14 hives but cannot update hives info on side strap
 
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full super under brood
Likely the main temptation; risky to nadir if wasps are about, esp. if boxes are not really full of bees.

8 to 9 frames in Nationals
Not terribly strong; at that point you might have put them & the best frames into 6f poly nucs: much easier to defend when boxes are rammed with bees.
 
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Hi, Long time no chat- good to be back. I have lost 5 colonies now to wasps, and, even today with December looming those wasps are still flying. As the AH is now about 20 miles away I want to buy more Apishield wasp trap floors for my nationals, but cannot find a supplier anywhere. Anyone know of a source?
Anyone reporting loss of hives to AH locally?

Do you know why the wasps are coming to your hives? Is it protein or sugars that they are after?
 
All with full super under brood
and there's the problem, a full shallow of honey under the brood box is like having a neon sign saying 'wasps welcome' on the hive.
much harder for the bees to guard and giving the bees too much work to move it to a safe location. especially as the hives weren't bursting with bees.
if supers were full of honey, then extract, if full of syrup, remove QX and leave on top.
I can't remember there being loads of AH reports in E Sussex this year?
 
and there's the problem, a full shallow of honey under the brood box is like having a neon sign saying 'wasps welcome' on the hive
Yes, because the frames are not covered in bees.
OK to put a few uncapped frames under a strong colony because the honey will be moved up overnight
 
and there's the problem, a full shallow of honey under the brood box is like having a neon sign saying 'wasps welcome' on the hive.
much harder for the bees to guard and giving the bees too much work to move it to a safe location. especially as the hives weren't bursting with bees.
if supers were full of honey, then extract, if full of syrup, remove QX and leave on top.
I can't remember there being loads of AH reports in E Sussex this year?
Unless these are late maturing wasps coming after protein which wouldn't be a surprise given the weather we have had this year.
 
Unless these are late maturing wasps coming after protein which wouldn't be a surprise given the weather we have had this year.
I have seen a few wasps through the clear crown boards in strong colonies in the last couple of weeks. They seem to sneak around the side of the cluster and get into the fondant containers,
 
We are suffering from a wasp attack as well. The wasps are ignoring the usual bait traps and we have reduced the entrance size which on warmer days allows the bees to defend the hive.
On colder days when the bees are sluggish the wasps enter. Today we have observed them removing the head from dead bees and eating the rest.
Any suggestions???
 
the usual bait traps
Where did you position them?

reduced the entrance size
Too late, I'm afraid.

observed them removing the head from dead bees and eating the rest.
If there are 20,000 bees in the box and four wasps eating a few, the problem may be minor and temporary. On the other hand, if the colony is small and a motorway of wasps are at work, move them or they will be lost.

Any suggestions?
Keep only strong colonies; wasps predate the weak. Move anything under real attack 2-3 miles away until frosts kill the wasps.
 
If it's a single hive then you could try closing the bees in, moving the hive to the side for 2 or 3 days, and placing a bait trap exactly where the hive entrance was (assuming you can't move them a few miles).
 
Unless these are late maturing wasps coming after protein which wouldn't be a surprise given the weather we have had this year.
It seems that’s what folks are seeing. Wasps are still after protein here, but only very small numbers of them. Very odd for December.
 
It seems that’s what folks are seeing. Wasps are still after protein here, but only very small numbers of them. Very odd for December.

Yes, I saw a worker wasp today in my apiary. And a queen that had decided inside a loop of hive strap was a good place to hole up for the Winter.

James
 
queen that had decided inside a loop of hive strap was a good place to hole up for the Winter
I had one inside the Land Rover dashboard; saw her go in but few weeks later, during that warm spell in November I drove to Redhill and she woke up and flew off.
 

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