Wasp traps

[pargyle]

Don't buy one as it is not needed ..

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" Not so keen on the bottle traps as they catch too many big moth's which i do not like doing, in doing so they form a carpet for the wasps to land on and get there fill.. i prefare the wasp bane as it has smaller entrance tubes and once anything gets inside it is not coming back out regardless of how full it gets.. i have had the same one for three years now and it is still going strong.."
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[beebopper]

Julie, with all due respect I'm being drawn down the path of defending the product which I have no wish to do on this forum. I'm not promoting or trying to convince you to buy the product. I'm happy to give advice on a take it or leave it basis on the wider issue of integrated wasp management which includes making beekeepers aware of the perils of certain actions that increase risk to their hives.

I will however rise to the challenge of independent peer review by universities. It is purely a matter of principle that I have actively chosen not to seek endorsement by universities and if it hurts my product I frankly don't care. Why? Because I have no wish to prostitute myself to an institution that will do my bidding for money. And I talk here from wider experience. Contrary to what some have said on here I'm not just a snake skin oil seller. It's good that your step son has taught you forensic skills in decision making but that only works if you have access to all the necessary information. The truth is that universities publish only a fraction of their research (circa 18%) and hide the rest that isn't flattering either to their reputation or their intention. Furthermore, they operate an unhealthy monopoly on information that not only actively seeks to usurp and monopolise intellectual property but also sees Chancellors earn close on £500k per annum whilst sucking the life blood out of our youth at £9000 per annum all the while denying those students access to the high class research facilities that their fees entitle them to.

Don't get me wrong. My professional career has been rooted in scientific research which has had oversight by independent regulatory bodies and the most important independent critics - real customers. I'm a firm believer that proof comes with the eating. Would you prefer to have an endorsement from a university that has been paid for the endorsement or from a customer who has no agenda other than to be truly satisfied?

Just to be clear then you do not believe in peer reviewed publication route to disseminate research findings.

 

[Karol]

Trust you to troll beebopper!

Peer review is fine if it's truly independent and conducted by educated people. Universities are not independent - they are money sucking parasites. Moreover if new technology comes along that they are insufficiently knowledgable in they have to be educated first to conduct the peer review which invariably results in them stealing the intellectual property.

One of the reasons why the NHS is in crisis is because of universities and with Brexit denying access to better educated health care professionals the crisis will turn into a calamity in the medium/short term at least. But this is off topic and unhelpful to newbies which is typical of the trolling you do.

 

[beebopper]

Trust you to troll beebopper!

Peer review is fine if it's truly independent and conducted by educated people. Universities are not independent - they are money sucking parasites. Moreover if new technology comes along that they are insufficiently knowledgable in they have to be educated first to conduct the peer review which invariably results in them stealing the intellectual property.

One of the reasons why the NHS is in crisis is because of universities and with Brexit denying access to better educated health care professionals the crisis will turn into a calamity in the medium/short term at least. But this is off topic and unhelpful to newbies which is typical of the trolling you do.

Asking a question clearly upsets you - its not trolling. Maybe it showing you up a little.

Peer review is done confidently and is nothing to do with intellectual property. If you publish something it is in the public domain so cannot be patented so any chance of intellectual property is lost. You must know this - so why are you trying to throw this smoke screen.

Having worked for many years in the academic environment I can say your views are very unusual and I have come across nobody that holds your rather strange view on research. This is important for people to know - your views are really not widely held.

The links you make is so weird - is peer review of research (rather than self assessment of research combined with youtube) really causing a the problems of lack of UK trained medical staff for the NHS. Does it really have anything to do with Brexit. I mean really. No what you are doing is trying to blur the issue.

No more questions from me I am done. No doubt you will respond with another bizarre post.

PS. Stop throwing mud and deal in facts - this is not trolling - you are simply trying to discredit people who know a few facts and can point these out which show you are rather silly.

 

[Julie in Ash]

I regret by asking a few questions (which I felt were reasonable) things can descend into a vortex which is bound to become personal. I have formed enough of an opinion about this subject now. Good luck everyone! xx

 

[beebopper]

I regret by asking a few questions (which I felt were reasonable) things can descend into a vortex which is bound to become personal. I have formed enough of an opinion about this subject now. Good luck everyone! xx

I am sorry Julie it really should not be like this - I hope you have at least learnt something.

First try to stop wasp entering your hive - reduce entry hole size - use one of the tunnel type modifications. I have always found this effective and wasp traps unnecessary.

If you want to make a wasp trap then ...

I would go for a large 2l bottle cut and invert top. Drill 2/3 0.5 cm holes holes in top. Try different attractant - jam/lager/ham if searching for protein.

 

[drex]

Just done inspections.loads of wasps about, but no problem for my hives. Keep colonies strong and entrances small and you are unlikely to get problems. The wasps that did get into any open boxes were soon seen off by the bees. I have plenty of solid cover boards, which I put on top of boxes as I take them off, and put any wax/honey scrapings into a sealed tub.
Good practice is the key. Never use wasp traps.

 

[beebopper]

Just done inspections.loads of wasps about, but no problem for my hives. Keep colonies strong and entrances small and you are unlikely to get problems. The wasps that did get into any open boxes were soon seen off by the bees. I have plenty of solid cover boards, which I put on top of boxes as I take them off, and put any wax/honey scrapings into a sealed tub.
Good practice is the key. Never use wasp traps.

I agree - never had to use them to protect a hive.

 

[Beefriendly]

Having worked for many years in the academic environment I can say your views are very unusual and I have come across nobody that holds your rather strange view on research. This is important for people to know - your views are really not widely held.
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With a substantial number of peer reviewed published papers in esteemed academic journals in my own name I can confidently state that Karol s opinion of research and academia is simply wrong and misplaced. Some sort of hidden agenda here??.. Perhaps not quite up to PhD grade material. A pharmacist with delusions of being an academic?

 

[Millet]

I am sorry Julie it really should not be like this - I hope you have at least learnt something.

First try to stop wasp entering your hive - reduce entry hole size - use one of the tunnel type modifications. I have always found this effective and wasp traps unnecessary.

If you want to make a wasp trap then ...

I would go for a large 2l bottle cut and invert top. Drill 2/3 0.5 cm holes holes in top. Try different attractant - jam/lager/ham if searching for protein.

100% on the money.. however mistakes are made and other than moving the said hive action needs taking.. personally i do not like the bottle traps but each to there own..

 

[Karol]

With a substantial number of peer reviewed published papers in esteemed academic journals in my own name I can confidently state that Karol s opinion of research and academia is simply wrong and misplaced. Some sort of hidden agenda here??.. Perhaps not quite up to PhD grade material. A pharmacist with delusions of being an academic?

So how many students have been fleeced at £9000 per annum to fund your academic extravagance???

I have no delusions. As an employer of analytical chemists, pharmacists, technicians and other science graduates I get to see and evaluate the output from universities and in keeping with the latest survey of other employers I concur with the majority of those employers that we prefer to employ individuals with life skills rather than graduates. I feel sorry for graduates who have been exploited by academia that emerge with life changing debts after being ripped off by universities. As vulnerable young people, prospective undergraduates are miss sold full time degrees that provide little opportunity of a decent job (50% of students do not use their degrees in their careers) and furthermore don't honour their promise of full time education frequently providing less than 10 hours of teaching time per week. The upshot being that armies of graduates leave university unprepared for work, with work ethics that are not up to the task of the pressures of the workplace and with debts that suffocate their life chances and national productivity. Anyone who defends the UK's higher education system needs to hang their head in shame. You can keep your peer reviewed papers. And you call me a snake skin oil seller!

 

[Beefriendly]

And you call me a snake skin oil seller!

No I called you a snake oil merchant...... I'd could use your inaccuracy as yet another example of your intellectual inability to conduct a reasoned debate...but frankly you just don't cut the muster and are not worth it.
No peer reviewed research or independent reviews... just your own version of what you think happens. You come on this forum and decry any other form of wasp trap. What a surprise when you have a financial stake in selling a very expensive one. As many of us know we can make efficient wasp traps that cost pennies.
Bit like Manuka honey, it stinks!

 

[Karol]

I caution against the use of low efficiency traps and extole the use of high efficiency traps. It's interesting that you immediately associate one particular brand of trap as being the only efficient trap out there. I have NEVER made that claim and have only talked generically about low and high efficiency traps and the attributes that distinguish them. The folly of this 'debate' is of your own making in that you cannot see past your own prejudice.

 

[Beefriendly]

It's interesting that you immediately associate one particular brand of trap as being the only efficient trap out there..

Not at all, just explained you can make efficient traps for pennies. No brand association ever mentioned. Just that people selling expensive wasp traps may possibly have a vested financial incentive to come on a forum and attempt to disparage the efficiency of cheap effective ones.

 

[Beefriendly]

Thinking about wasp control ...strong hives no problem.
Underfloor entrances AKA Jenkins are good (much as I hate to give him credit )
But Millett's simple solution of extended tunnel floor inside hive is brilliant.
Nucs....essentially you need to move.

I only use wasp traps to keep them out of my gin trap...nowt worse than live wasp(s) swimming in your G&T.

 

[Beefriendly]

So how many students have been fleeced at £9000 per annum to fund your academic extravagance???
!

You really don't have a scoobies....Our research was funded via MRC or Welcome Grants. Tuition fees go into teaching not research. A situation invoked by a government who reduced their subsidies to university education and replaced it with tuition fees directed at students.

 

[Karol]

You really don't have a scoobies....Our research was funded via MRC or Welcome Grants. Tuition fees go into teaching not research. A situation invoked by a government who reduced their subsidies to university education and replaced it with tuition fees directed at students.

And are you still at the coal face?

 

[Beefriendly]

And are you still at the coal face?

I'll treat that comment with the contempt it deserves.

Glia. 2018 Jan;66(1):47-61. doi: 10.1002/glia.23198. Epub 2017 Aug 10.
G protein-coupled receptor 37-like 1 modulates astrocyte glutamate transporters and neuronal NMDA receptors and is neuroprotective in ischemia.

See if you can figure which author I am

 

[Karol]

Would be useful if your work finally helped with vascular dementia and the like but you really should stop blowing smoke up your own a**e. Your privileged status within a Russell university is a world away from the realities of higher education for the vast majority of students and I stick by what I said earlier. I think a freedom of information request might be in order to discover the truth of the distribution of funding and resources pertaining to your research to see if any tuition fees are going where they shouldn't and that your students actually get value for their money.

 

[Beefriendly]

I think a freedom of information request might be in order to discover the truth of the distribution of funding and resources pertaining to your research to see if any tuition fees are going where they shouldn't and that your students actually get value for their money.

You threatening me for doing my job?
You really are a nasty malevolent piece of work.