VSH Carnica

[yeogi75]

I'm trying to change that...stir things up a bit. Its time things changed.

hope you don't stop posting I glean a lot from the forum, from people like your self who are trying to make a difference to the hobbyist like my self
carry on regardless

 

[chrisb]

There members here who should be ignored, however there are so many 'new comers' who read all the replies who must be sometimes more confused than when the started!

I hope for the sake of the decent members here on the forum that both yourself and B+ keep up your good work.

I second that. I have learned quite a bit off here from a select few.

 

[Truble]

Someone questioned hygienic behavior and why it is valuable. I can answer that.

Thanks for the explanation FP and the history behind it. I've read a few of the papers but I still have a little skepticism left about the correlation, but I'm a natural skeptic anyway. It's all a lot clearer now.

One of the problems with teaching B+, is you sometimes have to repeat your self many times until the message gets through. I've found it helps if you can back up what you are telling people with some decent facts/references etc. I'm afraid telling everyone they are fat arsed and lazy is not a recommended method of teaching.
Most of the posts I've read on this thread have contained some genuine questions.

 

[Truble]

My goal is to get 150 kg honey from hive. I do not need anybody's sympathy or advices in that.
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Nice goal!
It would be interesting if these VSH lines were tested for their honey production. with and without their varroa loads. Some of the varroa tolerant strains in Avignon were treated with a miticide. The varroa free (or reduced varroa) hives brought in nearly twice as much honey as the untreated ones. The reference for this data is here.

 

[Swarm]

This thread is beginning to remind me of another which was about wasps .....

 

[Gaz1]

This thread is beginning to remind me of another which was about wasps .....

Best not be talking about my wasp post

 

[Fusion_power]

P.F. Mcmanus wrote fishing advice and the fact that the best fishing holes are often found after negotiating cow pastures by noting that cows are usually the best sources of fishing advice. After all, if a cow chases you 3 times around the pasture and makes you leap across the creek without touching water, it probably means "don't fish here". He also said something to the effect that if he were on the top floor of a busy 50 floor building and grabbed a dip net to pull a fish out of an aquarium, a cow would get off the elevator to offer advice on how to handle it. All this to say that finman might not want advice on how to make honey, but if he hangs around here, he will get plenty.

 

[Finman]

P.F. Mcmanus wrote fishing advice and the fact that the best fishing holes are often found after negotiating cow pastures by noting that cows are usually the best sources of fishing advice. After all, if a cow chases you 3 times around the pasture and makes you leap across the creek without touching water, it probably means "don't fish here". He also said something to the effect that if he were on the top floor of a busy 50 floor building and grabbed a dip net to pull a fish out of an aquarium, a cow would get off the elevator to offer advice on how to handle it. All this to say that finman might not want advice on how to make honey, but if he hangs around here, he will get plenty.

I have told here 10 years how to make honey.

...he will get plenty.... I know, poking and barking. That is all what these guys use to give to me.

My ego stands all.

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[B+.]

P.F. Mcmanus wrote fishing advice

Sounds like the beginning of that old tale "Fly fishing by J.R. Hartley"

 

[B+.]

It would be interesting if these VSH lines were tested for their honey production. with and without their varroa loads.

These queens are as rare as hens teeth at the moment. I can't believe my luck that I actually got 3 of them!
The standard testing regime includes honey yields. This is an old summary of the programme but illustrates the sort of advances that have been made https://www.researchgate.net/public...introduction_of_genetic_evaluation_using_BLUP

 

[Finman]

The standard testing regime includes honey yields.url]

But the yield comes from pastures. So, it depends where you put your hives and how many hives.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

My ego stands all.

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Well it's big enough

 

[Finman]

Well it's big enough

Forget that enough.

 

[B+.]

This thread is beginning to remind me of another which was about wasps .....

Do you mean, hijacked and taken off the point?

 

[colinc]

But the yield comes from pastures. So, it depends where you put your hives and how many hives.

And the ability and performance to collect it comes from genetics. Chicken and the egg.....there is no colony to breed without the honey and no colony without the breeding. You can select effectively by studying production and selecting only for crop or you can try to understand everything and its impact to try to avoid cornering yourself into a population crash from an issue you don't even know exists.

Each to there own but honey is not everything to all people but as we can see from your posts it is to you. In 10 years you've tried to educate the world you haven't changed the forum members views and they haven't changed yours. If you don't care for studied controlled selective breeding or what you might learn, why are you even on this thread?

Why bang your head against the wall?

 

[Motobiman]

If you don't care for studied controlled selective breeding or what you might learn, why are you even on this thread?

Why bang your head against the wall?

Because to factory farmers bent only on maximum production, defending there warped views of animal treatment is the only way they can justify their miserable practices, maybe.

 

[Finman]

And the ability and performance to collect it comes from genetics.

Each to there own but honey is not everything to all people but as we can see from your posts it is to you. In 10 years you've tried to educate the world you haven't changed the forum members views and they haven't wall?

Yes, I have studied genetics in University.

Along decades the ability to forage honey has become better and better.

But surprisingly the ability of foraging is practically the same with different Queen breeders. And when you select , what queens you buy, it is your interest, that you buy good queen's and nothing rubbish. And you are aware that rubbish queens are on markets.

If you do not buy queens from professionals, and you so not compare them, it is better that you so not speak about genetics anything.


And that attitude, that I have not changed forum members view in 10 years. Ridiculous...

I do not even tried to. I do not change adult people. I have hit facts on table. And I have teached British beekeepers more than you can even count. For example about insulation, polyhives, mite control, laying workers.

If people do not want new knowledge, it is up to them. Even if angels tell to them, how to get more honey from their hives, they do not mind because 10 kg per hive is proper level.

If I do not set a goal 150 kg/hive, I cannot achieve it. IT does not drop from sky. I must do lots of work to achieve it. At my hone yard I can get 30 kg honey but I must move them to best pastures what I find here. To move 100 kg heavy hives is not a pleasant job.

 

[colinc]

Yes, I have studied genetics in University.

ok so you are intelligent educated and you do speak English and understand it well so no excuse.

However you show up on every thread banging on about your 150kg/hive being all that matters. That's what you select for. So you are selecting for disease resistance (poss blindly) or you could never achieve those yields. It is not just putting the boxes in the right forage.

However the aggressiveness of your posts and the way you insult people and their beekeeping on their own threads, where they just want to let other people know what they are doing, and spread their learning, is pointless.

You are a troll whether you like it or not.

Insult me if you like, I don't care.


My sincere apologies to B+ for hijacking your thread.

 

[Finman]

Because to factory farmers bent only on maximum production, defending there warped views of animal treatment is the only way they can justify their miserable practices, maybe.

Factory farmers are full of skills. They take their living from it.

But then we have horizon painters who are happy when they can save the globe every evening on forums with their top bar hives.

And who wants to be the worst in the village in his hobby. Not at least me. It suits to someone, but not to me.

 

[Eyeman]

View attachment developing mite resistant bees.pdf

Here's part of an article from the 2009 American Bee Journal.
The question was "I have varroa resistant queens but how do I get others to use them?"
This appeared to be a "call to arms"
Seven years later are we any further forward?