Vaporising Oxyalic Acid Against Varroa

[Finman]

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When I have now read about this winter, I am quite sure that next season will be difficult with varroa. Trickling does not work this winter. So I believe. Living mites are too much in hives at the beginning of Spring.

Thymol and Formic acid are possible to use in Spring, but when days temps are under 17C, efficacy is low.

But Britain is not only country in the Europe, which has brood in beehives over winter. There are many real beekeeper countries which export honey. They use many kind of treatments. You can read them from internet when they have published their researches.

 

[Finman]

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So .. are you still saying that OA by sublimation is NOT the best treatment available ...????

Best and best. Like guys here say that they have best smoker. They pay for it £50. But manufacturing coast is only £5.

You speak about best methods but do you use any. I have read your posts about varroa, and you have not even basic knowledge about varroa. It is a shame to read your posts.

My head is read when I look your advices. Many researchers make his life work with varroa researching, and you have no responsibilyty, what you shoot from your computer.

Your reports begin often "I do not know". They should begin: "I know, I have researched".

Ravi Battra started his book 1986 with that sentence when he forecasted the great supression of 1990.

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[pargyle]

I understand now Hivemakers choice, when he uses fumigation. This winter explains much. He has warm winters, and hives get pollen in winter and it keeps brooding on. Oxalic trickling does not work in brooding colony. So simple.

Pargyle, I am not teasing you in this forum. You are not so important person. To me it is important to give varroa advices where you can trust on.

No ? .. you've done enough of that in the past and there were a couple of digs in this post ?

You still seem to me (even with my limited experience) to be living in the past and handing out BAD advice ..

So .. are your now saying that your climate in Finland requires a different approach to mite treatment and that OA Sublimation is probably best for UK beekeepers ???

 

[pargyle]

Best and best. Like guys here say that they have best smoker. They pay for it £50. But manufacturing coast is only £5.

You speak about best methods but do you use any. I have read your posts about varroa, and you have not even basic knowledge about varroa. It is a shame to read your posts.

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Cobblers ... I'm not a dentist but I know a toothache when I get one !!

 

[Finman]

that OA Sublimation is probably best for UK beekeepers ???

This winter yes absolutely yes. Spring starts soon in UK and there will be not brooding gap in January, if they are now feeding their larvae.

I remember when I started in UK forum about 10 years ago. If I remember right many guys treated their hives in winter. They lifted each frame from hive and sprayed 3% oxalic water solution on each side.
They did same in USA.

Lactic acid treatment is same kind. You spray 18% lactic acid on boath side of bee covered frames, when out temp is 0-5C.

25 years ago Peritzin was popular method before Apistan. They/we trickled apistan liguid into seems just like in trickling.

 

[Finman]

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Perizin treatment somewhere in April 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dXeSjEL2Y

Google translate identyfy the language Bulgaria.
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[pargyle]

This winter yes.

THANK YOU .. well worth the wait, This post should be a STICKY.....

OA Sublimation .. As endorsed by FINMAN.....


Yes yes yes ....

 

[Finman]

THANK YOU .. well worth the wait, This post should be a STICKY.....

OA Sublimation .. As endorsed by FINMAN.....


Yes yes yes ....

How old are you?

 

[Millet]

I don't see what age has got to do with anything unless you are under 10yr's old.

 

[Finman]

I don't see what age has got to do with anything unless you are under 10yr's old.

That person must be then over 80 years.

 

[Finman]

, as was the thought and worry of many, whereas it seems it does when its dribbled or sprayed in liquid form.
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That is wrong information. In every research it has been said that dribbling does not affect on spring build up.

.many worry, even if has nothing to do with researches and professional's experiences.

Many worry so much that they destroy all brood in Spring and forum gives advices how to do it. I have not heard any alarm bells in this point.
And to renew combs guys make shake swarms and what ever.

This collective truth is amazing
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[BrianO]

That person must be then over 80 years.

Not feelin the Christmas spirit here ??? Where is the love ?

Why not come out of the trenches and we will have a game of Footie ?? !

 

[Finman]

Not feelin the Christmas spirit here ??? Where is the love ?

Why not come out of the trenches and we will have a game of Footie ?? !

Love... Christmas hormone thing? What is expire date? Best before?

 

[Finman]

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I asked from our menthor, how much oxalic water spraying kills larvae.

He said that difficult to know. If you spray mere water on larvae, it kills 30%.
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[pargyle]

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"Many worry so much that they destroy all brood in Spring and forum gives advices how to do it."

No they don't and No it doesn't ....


"And to renew combs guys make shake swarms and what ever".

Only reference I can find to Shook swarms is where that is necessary - for reasons of disease - or later in the season for other reasons.

"This collective truth is amazing"

This collective truth is in your imagination ...

You must stop posting this Nonsense .. I really don't know where you think this tripe is written on here .. I think you must be confusing it with other forums ?

 

[BrianO]

Love... Christmas hormone thing? What is expire date? Best before?

Now Now Finny .... Don't be one of life's cynics !

Howz about I arrange for you and Pargyle to go out for a Candlelit Dinner together, and then a Movie...." The Vanishing of the Bees " !!!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

You must stop posting this Nonsense .. I really don't know where you think this tripe is written on here .. I think you must be confusing it with other forums ?

How can he? he's banned from them all

 

[Finman]

"Many worry so much that they destroy all brood in Spring and forum gives advices how to do it."

No they don't and No it doesn't ....


"And to renew combs guys make shake swarms and what ever".

Only reference I can find to Shook swarms is where that is necessary - for reasons of disease - or later in the season for other reasons.

"This collective truth is amazing"

This collective truth is in your imagination ...

You must stop posting this Nonsense .. I really don't know where you think this tripe is written on here .. I think you must be confusing it with other forums ?

Yoh have a bad dementia

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[Finman]

How can he? he's banned from them all

In class society banning may be a personal disaster, but among free individuals it has no meaning. You know, a gang of idiots is worse than a prison.

 

[Hivemaker.]

In every research it has been said that dribbling does not affect on spring build up.

Not every, and there are others that found much the same.

Charriere and Imdorf (2002) found that colonies treated with 5-6 ml/seam of 3% OA were only 85% the strength of controls by April 25.

Charriere and Imdorf (2002)