Tesco pulls honey off shelves amid purity concerns

[JamezF]

you're right - mind not working very well today

That's very well done and not one I'd seen before. This is one of my favourites:



James

 

[Karol]

Not that I expect you to take the time to watch this JBM, but Lynne Balzer very eloquently describes how politicians and corporations have used climate change as a psychological construct to exploit the poor and the uneducated:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...4QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38k_7-SnzlUjEyV0tfqlXi

 

[Penninetrader]

Not that I expect you to take the time to watch this JBM, but Lynne Balzer very eloquently describes how politicians and corporations have used climate change as a psychological construct to exploit the poor and the uneducated:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fic65ZWsUC8&ved=2ahUKEwiSvJ-ektiKAxX4VEEAHWPxHa4QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38k_7-SnzlUjEyV0tfqlXi

Around 1992 after 2 previous meetings they decided to use CO2 as the culprit. A chap I came across on twitter was researching documentation on quite the scale and when I say scale I mean off the scale, all the original documents, in their own hand as it were, but in tedious deliberately confusing language he has documented all on his substack. He has as you can imagine drawn some welcome and unwelcome viewers of his work. The date 1992 is one that stands out in my memory. His research has taken him back to the late 1800's but things really start to come together in the 60's. Whilst living our lives these people have been quietly working away and receiving funding both private and public from sources throughout the world working towards the end game which is now clearly in sight. We have little time left to thwart this and minute resources in comparison to theirs, which are essentially limitless. Our only chance is push back by destroying their lies and dragging the consequences of their quite evil plans before the eyes of the masses. What they plan as you already know is mind boggling

 

[fian]

For introducing a controversial/critical point. The IPCC considers 6 greenhouse gases based on their physical capacity to emit and absorb infrared radiation.
These gases are the well-known carbon dioxide, methane and chlorofluorocarbons but also three less newsworthy ones such as nitrogen oxides, ozone and water vapour.
NASA has calculated that the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere without any of them would be -18°C, with ozone being particularly important, which absorbs ultraviolet radiation, and that without its presence this high-frequency radiation would make tropogenic life unsustainable.

 

[alancooper]

For introducing a controversial/critical point. The IPCC considers 6 greenhouse gases based on their physical capacity to emit and absorb infrared radiation.
These gases are the well-known carbon dioxide, methane and chlorofluorocarbons but also three less newsworthy ones such as nitrogen oxides, ozone and water vapour.
NASA has calculated that the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere without any of them would be -18°C, with ozone being particularly important, which absorbs ultraviolet radiation, and that without its presence this high-frequency radiation would make tropogenic life unsustainable.

Can you clarify the point you make and whether it contributes to the climate denial lobby?

 

[Penninetrader]

Can you clarify the point you make and whether it contributes to the climate denial lobby?

What is the climate denial lobby ? I think that is something that does not exist except in the minds of the uninformed.

 

[Sutty]

What they plan as you already know is mind boggling

Care to elucidate?

 

[Murox]

What is the climate denial lobby ? I think that is something that does not exist except in the minds of the uninformed.

Take some time to read through this key sources and amplifiers of climate change denial. It is USA based, however it's also littered with global references showing how widespread denial in its various forms really is, nothing at all to do with "the uninformed". Oh yes, and it starts around 1988.

 

[Penninetrader]

No denial of climate changing by myself or any of those arguing the case for a total destruction of the man made climate nonsense. We see with absolute clarity the facts. Those who might deny climate changing are as nuts as the net zero loons. It is that man is responsible is the question and the math says clearly not supported by historical data that the earth holds unlike the data corrupted by those who benefit from this fraud. I just did a little math regarding co2 and man's alleged contribution, even taken at face value their argument is completely rubbished. Should man cease to exist in the blink of an eye the levels to which co2 decrease would pass totally unnoticed. The bottom line being that an increase in co2 would be of great benefit but alas we have virtually no power to influence that.

 

[Karol]

Can you clarify the point you make and whether it contributes to the climate denial lobby?

Why not watch this to the end then perhaps it will address your question about denial and whether you fit into one of the psychological categories mentioned:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...4QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38k_7-SnzlUjEyV0tfqlXi

 

[alancooper]

Why not watch this to the end then perhaps it will address your question about denial and whether you fit into one of the psychological categories mentioned:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fic65ZWsUC8&ved=2ahUKEwiSvJ-ektiKAxX4VEEAHWPxHa4QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38k_7-SnzlUjEyV0tfqlXi

 

[alancooper]

Why not watch this to the end then perhaps it will address your question about denial and whether you fit into one of the psychological categories mentioned:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fic65ZWsUC8&ved=2ahUKEwiSvJ-ektiKAxX4VEEAHWPxHa4QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw38k_7-SnzlUjEyV0tfqlXi

Ooops …. Finger slip on a key. Thanks for your reply - but much too busy with a jig-saw puzzle to become involved in a futile debate.

 

[JamezF]

I had a jigsaw puzzle earlier today. In the end I decided the battery had failed.

James

 

[Karol]

Ooops …. Finger slip on a key. Thanks for your reply - but much too busy with a jig-saw puzzle to become involved in a futile debate.

Does it really take that long to solve a twelve piece jigsaw?

 

[fian]

Can you clarify the point you make and whether it contributes to the climate denial lobby?

I am not contributing to supporting a lobby, I am simply highlighting that the IPCC has considered 6 six gases as contributors to the greenhouse effect and ultimately (according to its theoretical vision) to aggravate the effects of climate change.
It seems curious to me that the IPCC itself is willing to propose reductions in carbon dioxide and methane and yet water vapor emissions are neutral when the concentration of water in the air is much greater and relevant in the general distribution of the atmosphere. .

 

[nicholaskeene]

Around 1992 after 2 previous meetings they decided to use CO2 as the culprit. A chap I came across on twitter was researching documentation on quite the scale and when I say scale I mean off the scale, all the original documents, in their own hand as it were, but in tedious deliberately confusing language he has documented all on his substack. He has as you can imagine drawn some welcome and unwelcome viewers of his work. The date 1992 is one that stands out in my memory. His research has taken him back to the late 1800's but things really start to come together in the 60's. Whilst living our lives these people have been quietly working away and receiving funding both private and public from sources throughout the world working towards the end game which is now clearly in sight. We have little time left to thwart this and minute resources in comparison to theirs, which are essentially limitless. Our only chance is push back by destroying their lies and dragging the consequences of their quite evil plans before the eyes of the masses. What they plan as you already know is mind boggling

Good example of a conspiracy theorist's post.. Unspecific allegations and lack of detail. "These people " ......do you mean the concencus of scientists working in the field? However much you don't like it the climate crisis is real and accelerating.

 

[Penninetrader]

Good example of a conspiracy theorist's post.. Unspecific allegations and lack of detail. "These people " ......do you mean the concencus of scientists working in the field? However much you don't like it the climate crisis is real and accelerating.

Give it up, the conspiracy jibe is old hat and tired beyond belief.I can point you in the right direction for the full facts but be prepared for a very long read which will bring you to the point we may be able to continue this discussion. As for scientists, you are aware of thousands who disagree with the bought and paid for narrative. Have you done your math yet regarding man made contribution to co2 on earth ? I should not have referred to it as it only gives credence to the claims that co2 is in any way harmful which it is clearly not.... .nature says so. The blurb are losing on the co2 front so have now switched to cows and methane, that one being even more ridiculous.

 

[mbc]

Well on that we utterly disagree, the latest volcanic eruptions a case in point. What caused co2 increases prior to industrialisation. We are currently in a cooling phase and at .o4 % of atmosphere I will less than worry. You will find that serious pushback on the current narrative is gaining momentum. Could not come soon enough.

I remember reading that during the Icelandic volcanic eruptions a few years ago emissions dropped, as the little the volcanoes spewed out was dwarfed by the enormous amounts not spewed by the grounded European airlines.
This surprised me and totally put into perspective just how much volume of fuel the aeroplanes burn, dwarfing the output of the biggest volcanic eruptions in Europe for decades, and the aeroplanes fly 24/7 365

 

[fian]

Good example of a conspiracy theorist's post.. Unspecific allegations and lack of detail. "These people " ......do you mean the concencus of scientists working in the field? However much you don't like it the climate crisis is real and accelerating.

https://energyanalysis.substack.com/p/emisiones-de-co2-y-aumento-de-temperatura.
Being this a pro-IPCC article, once you read it, it is easy to find three very revealing statements.
A. "Although we associate the greenhouse effect with CO₂, the main contributor to this effect is water in a gaseous state."
B."However, water vapor remains in the atmosphere for a short time compared to other gases and most of the water vapor generated is not due to human activity."
C. Image 5, although carbon dioxide has been increasing since the beginning of industrialization, however, the temperature in the first half is decreasing while the second half is increasing.
https://www.icog.es/TyT/index.php/2022/11/la-geologia-versus-el-dogma-climatico-1a-parte/
This is a more critical article where the relationship between increased temperature and increased carbon dioxide is false but it does not mean that climate change and increased temperature cannot be explained with other variables.

 

[JamezF]

This surprised me and totally put into perspective just how much volume of fuel the aeroplanes burn,

It's mind-boggling. I think around thirty-five tonnes wouldn't be an unreasonable guesstimate for a single commercial flight between Heathrow and JFK and a quick search suggests that there are around four hundred transatlantic (between Europe and North America) flights (some of which will presumably use more fuel if they're to/from the west coast of the USA or Canada) every day. And of course some of that fuel is just burnt just to enable the aircraft to carry enough additional fuel to cover emergencies (perhaps about three or four tonnes?) which will (hopefully) still be on board when the plane touches down.

Firing up flightradar24.com for the first time was a gobsmacking moment for me. The sheer number of aircraft in the sky at any one time is really hard to comprehend.

James