Swarm Prevention

[jenkinsbrynmair]

But 6 brood frames and swarming.. What kind of beekeeper you are?

He did not say that - it's just you as usual can't grip the concept of a proper Demarre which should be conducted before they make preparations to swarm. the trick is to always leave the queen in a comparatively empty brood box and move the rest of the brood to another part of the hive where the bees won't swarm as they think the queen has already gone so will happily carry on tending the remaining brood and making emergency/supersedure QC's if they get a chance..
The benefits are, you don't need as much equipment to do it, no more apiary space as it's all done on the same footprint, the colony grows bigger not smaller and, if you so desire you can use it to generate queen cells for other purposes

 

[Finman]

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But like Pargyle says, he does not want honey from hives.
He just keep hives.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

No constructive comment then, just unhelpful bluster

 

[beebot]

I've never said it was ... But if there us NOT a flow on then I would expect back filling to be an unusual event in the hive ?

At least I out forward observations and thoughts that can be debated rather than the constant nitbpicking argumentative commentary that we see from you and your camp follower .… precious little advice or positive comments ... Best you get back under your bridge !

If you are referring to me then you have no justification.
HM has said your talking through your rear end which is good enough for me.
Just admit your wrong and move on.
In future leave me out of it please. Your observations and contribution are simply there for me to read and get amusement from now on (and ignore as necessary).

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

did someone just break wind?

 

[beebot]

did someone just break wind?

Yes ..... you!!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

might well be - it's just for a minute I got a slight whiff of a*sehole

 

[Finman]

No constructive comment then, just unhelpful bluster

You forgot vodka dimension

Try to consentare yourself into swarmtheraphy. Leave the psychotherapy to those, who know something about it.

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[pargyle]

But 6 brood frames and swarming.. What kind of beekeeper you are?
Give those 5 explanation. And explanation is not my style.

You want to be like everyone. What is average life? Tell me.

Where you are good is poppy cutting, like Australians use to say.

You need your eyes testing Finnie .... I never said brood on 6 frames ... I said about 8 ... As there are usually only 10 frames in a national brood box ... That's about where it happens ?

Should've gone to specsavers. !!!

 

[For want of a better word]

He did not say that - it's just you as usual can't grip the concept of a proper Demarre which should be conducted before they make preparations to swarm. the trick is to always leave the queen in a comparatively empty brood box and move the rest of the brood to another part of the hive where the bees won't swarm as they think the queen has already gone so will happily carry on tending the remaining brood and making emergency/supersedure QC's if they get a chance..
The benefits are, you don't need as much equipment to do it, no more apiary space as it's all done on the same footprint, the colony grows bigger not smaller and, if you so desire you can use it to generate queen cells for other purposes

Well done... a good answer for what is after all the "Beginners Section"
pity one has to plough through a mess of tripe to get to a sensible reply.
I will Demaree the TBH colonies in the spring.... provided I can find the queen.... so much easier to AS with a National and a simple qe!

Nos da

 

[pargyle]

If you are referring to me then you have no justification.

In future leave me out of it please. .

If the cap fits wear it ... If you join in with comments then expect to be included ... If you don't like the light then don't light your candle ....

 

[Finman]

You need your eyes testing Finnie .... I never said brood on 6 frames ... I said about 8 ... As there are usually only 10 frames in a national brood box ... That's about where it happens ?

Should've gone to specsavers. !!!

You need help. Your hives swarm too early.

Specsaver does not sell queens.

Lesson#1: Get such bees which do not swarm too easily.

Splitting the colony ruins the yield for long time.
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[pargyle]

You need help. Your hives swarm too early.

Specsaver does not sell queens.

My bees were bang on schedule .... First queen cells were first week in June ... I can live with that ... There were others around me that were losing swarms in april ....I don't know what you are on about most of the time ....

 

[Hivemaker.]

As there are usually only 10 frames in a national brood box

Usually 11

 

[For want of a better word]

Usually 11

I can get in 12.... in a BHS Polly!!.... but only 10 in a trusty WBC!



Nos da

 

[Finman]

I can get in 12.... in a BHS Polly!!.... but only 10 in a trusty WBC!



Nos da

Take excluder off. Then you do not need to count frames.

 

[Finman]

My bees were bang on schedule .... First queen cells were first week in June ... I can live with that ... There were others around me that were losing swarms in april ....I don't know what you are on about most of the time ....

Really slow build up then. Does untreated varroa slows the build up?

And do you know, that varroa adds swarming.
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[charlievictorbravo]

I haven't had any swarms leave my hives yet. I am keen to understand as much as possible about preempting the bees. 2 of my colonies are in double nationals ATM. Next year they will be moved into long hives. I am expecting them to build up their colonies in a similar way that they have this year. Both were very full of bees and I added supers for honey and for extra space. Sadly, we didn't get good weather and nectar flows were very poor. Both colonies managed to make honey though and neither swarmed.
This coming year, I feel, may be a different ball game.
So my question is....at what point do I demarree...what pointers are going to tell me it is time? I don't want to wait until queen cells appear!
Do I wait for the colony to complete its spring build up?
Is the decision to demarree made on the number of full brood frames? Or on the population of bees?
What prompts a beekeeper to do the demarree?

This post above came on the forum just as I was turning in last night but it's exactly the questions I would have asked if I'd had the courage. Since Tremyfro's post, there's been about 25 posts but only two tried to respond to the question - Pargyle and Jenkinsbrynmair - so thanks to those two. The rest just seemed to like the sound of their own keyboard.

A tip I was given was make sure that the queen is marked so that she can be easily found. If she's not on the frame being inspected, you can shake the bees off to give a less restricted view of the frame and any queen-cells that otherwise might be hidden under the nurse bees. Spotting those queen-cells is so important! Even Finnie agrees with that!

CVB

 

[Thymallus]

I gave some ideas about what I look for and was accused by the resident troll of giving bad advice .

I think that should be trolls with an S to be factually correct, as in plural. More than one responder suggested your advice about brood cells getting back filled with nectar prior to swarming might be erroneous.

BTW, when you insult people, you shouldn't act so surprised when people respond in kind.
Luv and XXXXX's
your under bridge living amigo.

P.S. Do you like vinegar and salt with your silicon chips?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Splitting the colony ruins the yield for long time.
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And with Demarree you don't!