Save our forests

[oliver90owner]

Personally, I think the banking system may well have had more 'subsidy' this last couple of years. Brought on, no doubt, by inadequate systems for avoidance of said situations.

The farm subsidy system was a viable system when implemented. It may have outgrown it's usefulness but the arrangements for setting aside land to sustain the local habitat and improve the ecology of the countryside is certainly a good thing.

Just imagine where we would be if it was not so. Agriculture in the 21st century is not a benevolent society. It is big business with tight profit margins at times. No big business is going to voluntarily reduce profits, especially when there is no certainty of a decent return for effort.

 

[Black Comb]

And lets not forget many producers are screwed down by the likes of Tesco who want to make a profit for their shareholders who in large chunks are the pension schemes that pay (will pay) your pension.

 

[For want of a better word]

Listening to Radio 2 this afternoon.... a turkey farmer was bemoaning the fact that the price of his turkeys was being forced up by the cost of feed.
He was not complaining that the likes of Tesco give him a miserable margin of profit for his efforts.
He was complaining that animal feedstuffs, soya,wheat,rice sugar and molases was being forced up by the comodities brokers, buying in bulk to resell at inflated priced

Bloody finance industry again!
This will be the oiks who buy up the forests for mere speculative profit!
Many of my friends are in farming and they could do without profiteering on feedstuff that will eventually push prces up for everyone

AND it is this mambypamby sort of elected CON~DEM idiots who are ENCOURAGING it!!

 

[psafloyd]

There is nothing new about commodities speculation, so give over with blaming everything on the ConDems. It's getting boring.

Just look back at the bubbles caused by tulip bulbs in Holland and the South Sea crisis. They were neither recent nor caused by the ConDems, yet were driven by the same motivations as more recent events.

Listening to Radio 2 this afternoon.... a turkey farmer was bemoaning the fact that the price of his turkeys was being forced up by the cost of feed.
He was not complaining that the likes of Tesco give him a miserable margin of profit for his efforts.
He was complaining that animal feedstuffs, soya,wheat,rice sugar and molases was being forced up by the comodities brokers, buying in bulk to resell at inflated priced

Bloody finance industry again!
This will be the oiks who buy up the forests for mere speculative profit!
Many of my friends are in farming and they could do without profiteering on feedstuff that will eventually push prces up for everyone

AND it is this mambypamby sort of elected CON~DEM idiots who are ENCOURAGING it!!

 

[For want of a better word]

There is nothing new about commodities speculation, so give over with blaming everything on the ConDems. It's getting boring.

Just look back at the bubbles caused by tulip bulbs in Holland and the South Sea crisis. They were neither recent nor caused by the ConDems, yet were driven by the same motivations as more recent events.

I would expect a responsible government would step in to prevent greedy speculation.... no worse or better than the WW2 spivs
It is immoral
and if anything is getting booring it is the crass comments made by those on this and other forums who are just out to impress and add nothing to the real debate

 

[For want of a better word]

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/save-our-forests


cut and paste...fill in form... petition to stop con~dems selling off our forests to the highest bidder!

I used to be snow white... but I drifted !​

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bit like this serious posting really!!!

 

[buzzin]

I used to be snow white... but I drifted !​

Don't worry a CON-DEM will be along shortly to say "I know it was in the manifesto but we've kinda drifted" (along with the rest of the lies)
Regards
buzzin

 

[MODNOD]

I would expect a responsible government would step in to prevent greedy speculation.... no worse or better than the WW2 spivs
It is immoral
and if anything is getting booring it is the crass comments made by those on this and other forums who are just out to impress and add nothing to the real debate

All politicians no matter what party are out to look after number one at least ten fold.
No such thing as a responsible government well at least in the manner i think you mean.

 

[Hombre]

Crass comment really

Until finished do {

Plant trees, make oxygen and wood, improve the soil and habitat, chop wood, make furniture and fire to keep warm and comfortable
}​

I remember seeing a film clip of barren volcanic rocky land where nothing grew.
The weather eroded the surface of the rocks creating dust. Moisture was held in the dust and grass seed blew in which grew and died shedding more seeds and enriching the dust even further, insects arrived to feed on the grass and other insects which had also arrived, shat, died and composted down, enriching the soil. Birds arrived, fed, shat, died and composted down. In time the soil was supporting deciduous trees, which had grown from seeds carried by the birds and the whole process enriched the land.

I also remember listening to a story on the radio about an orphan boy who lived with a sheepherd that roamed the land where the Ardenns is now. It was fairly barren and he carried a bag in which he collected tree seeds when they were in wooded land during the autumn. The old man used to plant seeds during their roaming and would pass the same way maybe once in ten years. Eventually the old man died and the boy, who had become a man, continued the process until as an old man himself he fell ill and when he had recovered war was in the land. Eventually twenty years later and almost on his death bed he was brought by his own son to the places where he had first kept sheep with the old sheepherder many years before. They stopped and looked up the valley and he declared that he did not remember this country at all. Where there had been barren rocks, harsh sunlight and clear air. Here there were trees as far as the eye could see and the air was heavy with a hazy mist that obscured the distance in the early morning sunshine. There was also the sound of birds and insects everywhere.
The Forests in the Ardennes didn't just happen by themselves, but trees over time improve the habitat, produce oxygen and support wildlife.
it is one of those stories that I found left a lasting impression upon me.

Currently my own planting passion is for sunflowers and willow.

 

[psafloyd]

I would expect a responsible government would step in to prevent greedy speculation.... no worse or better than the WW2 spivs
It is immoral
and if anything is getting booring it is the crass comments made by those on this and other forums who are just out to impress and add nothing to the real debate

I'm sure you can't be referring to my statement as "crass", icanhopit, as I did indeed contrinute to the debate. Which is exactly what your own did not.

How, pray tell, would the government intervene "to prevent greedy speculation"? It's all very well saying "the government should do something", but what is it the government should do and more importantly, abount what, exactly?

Our economy is predicated upon speculation in one form or another. Indeed, your beekeeping speculates upon the ability of your colonies to generate sufficient product for you to benefit and yet leave them sufficient stores for winter.

 

[psafloyd]

All politicians no matter what party are out to look after number one at least ten fold.
No such thing as a responsible government well at least in the manner i think you mean.

A responsible government is one that is called to account for its actions. The vast majority of individuals do not even vote, less engage with their MPs on matters they consider important. It is therefore we, the electorate who are irresponsible for allowing governments to rule unchecked.

 

[For want of a better word]

A responsible government is one that is called to account for its actions. The vast majority of individuals do not even vote, less engage with their MPs on matters they consider important. It is therefore we, the electorate who are irresponsible for allowing governments to rule unchecked.

Just a tad annoying when you are not represented ....................

Is it a Human Right to save trees?

 

[madasafish]

Originally Posted by icanhopit
"I would expect a responsible government would step in to prevent greedy speculation.... no worse or better than the WW2 spivs
It is immoral
and if anything is getting booring it is the crass comments made by those on this and other forums who are just out to impress and add nothing to the real debate "

Grain and other commodities are traded worldwide and produced worldwide. In the UK we do not produce enough grain to meet our needs so have no choice but to import grain.

Grain prices are affected by speculation, but also by fires and shortages in Russia this year which significantly reduced output, and demand for meat from developing nations is rising . Most meat - either cattle or fowl - is fed on... grain.

So you have a combination of reduced supply and increased demand..


Pleas tell us how a UK Government can stop "greedy speculation" as you put in when the speculators mainly trade grain on the Chicago Exchange and as such are totally out of the UK Government's jurisdiction?



I know reality is unpleasant but if you do want to post on grain prices, I would expect you to have done a modicum of research about the subject first.. |Obvioulsy I was mistook

And no, I don't claim to be an expert.

 

[madasafish]

Again my mistake, I was under the impression that you were saying it was a thing of the past and was not carried on now, my appologies
Must be ready for a break.

Thanks Stiffy.

I am sorry if I came over as pedantic. Did not wish to do so. I was like you - tired (and emotional?) last night so posted this am

 

[psafloyd]

Just a tad annoying when you are not represented ....................

Is it a Human Right to save trees?

Sorry, icanhopit, but I do not understand what you mean.

Who is not represented and what do you mean about human rights?

 

[psafloyd]

Originally Posted by icanhopit
"Grain and other commodities are traded worldwide and produced worldwide. In the UK we do not produce enough grain to meet our needs so have no choice but to import grain.

Pleas tell us how a UK Government can stop "greedy speculation" as you put in when the speculators mainly trade grain on the Chicago Exchange and as such are totally out of the UK Government's jurisdiction?

Quite. And we have been importing grain for a very, very long time in this country.

 

[MODNOD]

A responsible government is one that is called to account for its actions. The vast majority of individuals do not even vote, less engage with their MPs on matters they consider important. It is therefore we, the electorate who are irresponsible for allowing governments to rule unchecked.

A responsible government would not need to be called to account.

We can not do anything to check any government until an election, and then the next lot do what they want etc. etc.

We are not compeled to vote and until this is changed that is the way it will stay, and then back to para 2.

Politicians pay lip service to the public and then do what they want or are powerless to do anything in the first place.

 

[For want of a better word]

OMG we do have a sniffly load of old biggots on this forum !!!!

so sorry I hit that aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh raw nerve!!!!!

This is usually the kind of intercourse I have with my dentist when he has my mouth full of cotton wool !!!

You just HAVE to laugh!!!!

Biggots... all except you dear reader !!

and all I did was suggest we try to stop raging speculation over a few grotty trees!!
Rock on.........

 

[For want of a better word]

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/save-our-forests


cut and paste...fill in form... petition to stop con~dems selling off our forests to the highest bidder!

Just in case anyone lost the tread due to the irracable drivvel that has been posted!

 

[Hivemaker.]

This is usually the kind of intercourse I have with my dentist when he has my mouth full of cotton wool !!!

He's got it worked out then...