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The biggest environmental health concern associated with polystyrene is the danger associated with Styrene, the basic building block of polystyrene. Styrene is used extensively in the manufacture of plastics, rubber, and resins. About 90,000 workers, including those who make boats, tubs and showers, are potentially exposed to styrene. Acute health effects are generally irritation of the skin, eyes, and upper respiratory tract, and gastrointestinal effects. Chronic exposure affects the central nervous system showing symptoms such as depression, headache, fatigue, and weakness, and can cause minor effects on kidney function and blood. Styrene is classified as a possible human carcinogen by the EPA and by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). A voluntary compliance program has been adopted by industries using styrene. The US Department of Labor, Occupational Safety & Health Administration unsuccessfully (a federal court overturned the ruling in 1992) tried to limit the amount of worker exposure to styrene to 50 parts per million (ppm). According to the Styrene Information and Research Center (SIRC), they still encourage their member companies to comply with the 50 ppm exposure limit. This program would reduce styrene exposures to a 50 ppm TWA with a 100 ppm (15 minute) ceiling.
-OSHA (US Dept of Labor, Occupational Safety & Health Administration)
A 1986 EPA report on solid waste named the polystyrene manufacturing process as the 5th largest creator of hazardous waste.· The National Bureau of Standards Center for Fire Research identified 57 chemical byproducts released during the combustion of polystyrene foam. The process of making polystyrene pollutes the air and creates large amounts of liquid and solid waste.
Toxic chemicals leach out of these products into the food that they contain (especially when heated in a microwave). These chemicals threaten human health and reproductive systems.
These products are made with petroleum, a non-sustainable and heavily polluting resource.
The use of hydrocarbons in polystyrene foam manufacture releases the hydrocarbons into the air at ground level; there, combined with nitrogen oxides in the presence of sunlight, they form tropospheric ozone -- a serious air pollutant at ground level. According to the EPA (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency) more than 100 million Americans currently live in areas that fail to meet air quality standards for ozone. California, the Texas Gulf Coast, the Chicago-Milwaukee area, and the Northeastern U.S. all have "serious ozone air quality problems," according to EPA. Ozone is definitely a dangerous pollutant. The EPA says: "Healthy individuals who are exercising while ozone levels are at or only slightly above the standard can experience reduced functioning of the lungs, leading to chest pain, coughing, wheezing, and pulmonary congestion. In animal studies, long-term exposure to high levels of ozone has produced permanent structural damage to animal lungs while both short and long term exposure has been found to decrease the animal's capability to fight infection." In other words, prolonged exposure to atmospheric ozone above legal limits might be expected to damage the immune system.
By volume, the amount of space used up in landfills by all plastics is between 25 and 30 percent. -"Polystyrene Fact Sheet," Foundation for Advancements in Science and Education, Los Angeles, California.
Polystyrene foam is often dumped into the environment as litter. This material is notorious for breaking up into pieces that choke animals and clog their digestive systems.
Many cities and counties have outlawed polystyrene foam (i.e. Taiwan, Portland, OR, and Orange County, CA).
Can polystyrene be recycled?

While the technology for recycling polystyrene is available, the market for recycling is very small and shrinking. Many Americans are hearing from their curbside recycling agencies that they will not accept PS goods. The good news is that the current Biopolymer revolution (biodegradable polymers) is charting a path for producing environmentally friendly packaging material to replace those peanuts. Corn based and other seeds known collectively as soapstock waste lead the way. Some are already available as replacements. Perhaps the problematic recycling situation will be solved by replacing the product.
Polystyrene recycling is not "closed loop" - collected polystyrene cups are not remanufactured into cups, but into other products, such as packing filler and cafeteria trays. This means that more resources will have to be used, and more pollution created, to produce more polystyrene cups.
-"Plastics Industry Grasps for Straws," Everyone's Backyard, January/February 1990, Citizen's Clearinghouse for Hazardous Waste, p. 6.
Does polystyrene deplete the ozone layer?

Initially a portion of polystyrene production was aided by the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), the chemicals that break down ozone in the troposphere. When this issue came to light, polystyrene manufacturers negotiated a gradual phase-out of CFCs in the production process and no CFCs have been used since the late 1980's.
Though polystyrene manufacturers claim that their products are "ozone-friendly" or free of CFCs, this is only partially true. Some polystyrene is now manufactured with HCFC-22, which, though less destructive than its chemical cousins, CFC-11 and CFC-12, is still a greenhouse gas and harmful to the ozone layer. In fact, according to a 1992 study by the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research, HCFCs are three to five times more destructive to the ozone layer than previously believed.

Is here is a reason why we have to import these from countries with little respect for the environment.
 
Err no actually.

Swienty are manufactured in Denmark, a country with pretty high ethical standards, Paynes are made in the UK, same same (I hope) and Lyson are made under EU regs in Poland.

Nice copy and paste though. :)

Actually locally land fill sites have been very beneficial to the local community. New parks and playgrounds for the kids making very pleasant green areas that other wise were useless.

I can see you are dead set on not being interested in a better home for your bees so shall we leave it here is agreeing to disagree?

PH
 
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Err no actually.

Swienty are manufactured in Denmark, a country with pretty high ethical standards, Paynes are made in the UK, same same (I hope) and Lyson are made under EU regs in Poland.

Nice copy and paste though. :)

Actually locally land fill sites have been very beneficial to the local community. New parks and playgrounds for the kids making very pleasant green areas that other wise were useless.

I can see you are dead set on not being interested in a better home for your bees so shall we leave it here is agreeing to disagree?

PH

Yep, I think as long as people make a choice based on an informed decision and not simply in response to any one sided evangelism, we can all get on with our beekeeping. Oh yes and I still hate the noise they make when they rub together :)
 
The critical thing as you say is informed choice.

There are shed loads of information on timber units whether via books or the web and very little about poly.

If I am an evangelist for poly then that suits me fine as I have been promoting the usage for over 20 years now.

So you see the one sided tag is a little unfair given the tens of thousands of timber ware enthusiasts in the UK.

However the tide is finally turning if extremely slowly. The UK has always been slow to respond to change, although the rest of Europe seems to be up to speed already.

A very knowledgeable Polish gentleman told me a week ago that there is hardly a timber hive in use there, the Danes have been in poly for donkeys years, as have the Fins and the rest of the Nordic countries, not to forget Germany from where the first poly came in 1985.

I also heard today that two of the big boys in the UK including the biggest have declared they are not going to get involved in poly.

PH
 
Something I've noticed is nearly everyone at the association use wood and only one person I've talked to has brought a full hive (but not used it). Till people have an open mind and try it theirs no chance of it being adopted which is what's happen the rest of the world from what PH says. I've made my mind up that it's the choice for me.

PH anychance of looking at post 236, trying to work out which to get. Also the lyson one has funny holes on roof....

Thanks
Chris
 
I also heard today that two of the big boys in the UK including the biggest have declared they are not going to get involved in poly.

That would include mating nucs and other queen rearing items, too? I think they say one thing but already actually supply items in polystyrene, nevertheless.

Th8rne, of course are a major manufacturer (not simply a supplier) and would need to invest a huge amount to join in as one of the manufacturers of injection moulded items, and would be competing with their own in-house wood-working machinery. Not commercial sense ... until the time is right. Certainly any large injection moulding machine I have come across has had a run factor as close to 24/7 as possible (but all polypropylene, or similar), and were not a cheap item to boot!

RAB
 
I wouldn't have thought it practicable to own the machinery as it is a specialist business, and as I think you are well aware I intended the sense to be that of producing their own full hives, the mating nucs are produced abroad at the moment I believe.

PH
 
I also heard today that two of the big boys in the UK including the biggest have declared they are not going to get involved in poly.

PH

Actually locally land fill sites have been very beneficial to the local community. New parks and playgrounds for the kids making very pleasant green areas that other wise were useless.


PH

Well I'm glad that we wont be hurtling into a poly revolution fuelled by every supplier and that we needn't abandon recycling in order to create playgrounds for our children.
I wish you the best with your crusade, I'll take my tin hat off and retire gracefully from the debate. Happy to be a dinosaur.
 
I also heard today that two of the big boys in the UK including the biggest have declared they are not going to get involved in poly.
PH

Possibly because the bulk of their profits come from wooden hives?

But I do wonder if the same sort of sentiment was also in the minds of BSA, Triumph (the original one), Norton etc., when they saw the first Japanese motorcycles? "Bits of plastic, gear change on the wrong side, they'll never catch on..."

RIP the British motorcycling Industry until a reborn Triumph started making bikes to modern engineering standards.
 
But I do wonder if the same sort of sentiment was also in the minds of BSA, Triumph (the original one), Norton etc., when they saw the first Japanese motorcycles? "Bits of plastic, gear change on the wrong side, they'll never catch on..."

RIP the British motorcycling Industry until a reborn Triumph started making bikes to modern engineering standards.

Had quite a few of both Jap and British bikes over the years,and liked them all mostly,still have an old BSA,shame really that we don't support our own manufacturing,or the very little we have left of it,seems the other countries like China ect, will just become richer,while we in this country become poorer, with nothing to sell to make any money,and with only ourselves to blame.
 
Norton are up the road here at Donington Track doing pretty well we hear, esp as they err.. acquired their new top designer from Motoguzzi. :)

Stayed with us and got his ear bent by Julie re pillion design. LOL Mind you he did ask.. and woo did he get told..LOL

PH
 
Had quite a few of both Jap and British bikes over the years,and liked them all mostly,still have an old BSA,shame really that we don't support our own manufacturing,or the very little we have left of it,seems the other countries like China ect, will just become richer,while we in this country become poorer, with nothing to sell to make any money,and with only ourselves to blame.
:iagree:

I think Its a real shame:(Chris
 
Finally placed my order for 3 Swienty Langstroth Poly's with c wynne today!
 
Cleaning out built in feeder

Having placed newly formed QCs in new Payne poly nucs the question is; what is the preferred method of feeding (if required). I've painted out the built in feeder but my concern is - how do you clean out unused syrup that is perhaps even mouldy, as it does in rapid feeders if left unused.

I have ekes so would it be better to feed with fondant? They don't come with crownboards with feeder holdes (that I am aware of) so how do you feed fondant?

Appreciate the feedback.
 
You have a PM but I'll add this
I have cut a polycarbonate crownboard making a small hole in it and put a little packet of fondant over it then added the eke and surrounded the feed with some kingspan.
The crownboard also has a small square cut out at one end of the built in feeder and I have taped it back with some duck tape so that it becomes a moveable flap. That way you can top up syrup without bothering the bees.
Maybe you could syphon unused syrup out via the same flap. I might try that.
 
Having placed newly formed QCs in new Payne poly nucs the question is; what is the preferred method of feeding (if required). I've painted out the built in feeder but my concern is - how do you clean out unused syrup that is perhaps even mouldy, as it does in rapid feeders if left unused.

I have ekes so would it be better to feed with fondant? They don't come with crownboards with feeder holdes (that I am aware of) so how do you feed fondant?

Appreciate the feedback.

we use a big syringe. like the one for dosing cows. add a small bit of pipe to the syringe and bobs your uncle and u have a syringe of orrible guk.
 
Quite a few folk seem to block off that built-in feeder...

Because the nuc has top beespace, you can use any (reasonably appropriate!) flat sheet material as a top-cover/crownboard. And cut whatever holes in it that you might wish.

But you do need to use a cover to keep the bees away from the roof/wall join. Bees tend to stick the roof down with prop that can be stronger than the roof!
 

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