Nature, Legislation and Angels

As I just explained in a post, I would like to continue in this new one the deviation that was caused in the main post.
The title refers to nature, law and angels. The reason is to answer about.
Wild swarms and their status within beekeeping legislation.
and the angels?

 

[madasafish]

If you are a pensioner that is what happens. 13 pay days per year!

 

[fian]

If you are a pensioner that is what happens. 13 pay days per year!

In Spain there are 14 payments. 12 ordinary per month and 2 extraordinary one in July (paid from June 25 to 30) and another in December (paid from November 25 to 30).

 

[JamezF]

optically the full moon is thus visible for a few days.

Rubbish! If you spend any amount of time observing the Moon it's clear to the naked eye that it is not full on the nights either side of a full Moon and through even a moderate size telescope it's quite obvious. You're trying to twist the definition of a full Moon into one that no-one uses in order to justify your argument.

This is an image I made about eighteen hours after the instant the Moon was full. It's already clearly starting to darken on one side.

This is twenty-four hours later, and now it's really obvious.

James

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

yes, it would have really boogered up our navigation and tidal calculations if the moon had dithered around for a few days before starting to wane again!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

This is an image I made about eighteen hours after the instant the Moon was full. It's already clearly starting to darken on one side

so there is a dark side to the moon?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Rubbish! If you spend any amount of time observing the Moon it's clear to the naked eye that it is not full on the nights either side of a full Moon and through even a moderate size telescope it's quite obvious. You're trying to twist the definition of a full Moon into one that no-one uses in order to justify your argument.

Yes. Technically a full moon lasts an instant.

 

[JamezF]

so there is a dark side to the moon?

 

[Beesnaturally]

x

 

[Erichalfbee]

x

An instant

 

[JamezF]

Yes. Technically a full moon lasts an instant.

Quite so, because it's an effect due to the relative positions of objects that are in motion relative to each other.

James

 

[fian]

Rubbish! If you spend any amount of time observing the Moon it's clear to the naked eye that it is not full on the nights either side of a full Moon and through even a moderate size telescope it's quite obvious. You're trying to twist the definition of a full Moon into one that no-one uses in order to justify your argument.

This is an image I made about eighteen hours after the instant the Moon was full. It's already clearly starting to darken on one side.

This is twenty-four hours later, and now it's really obvious.

James

So why did ancient populations divide the lunar cycle into quarters? It would be more accurate to do it in fifths, sixths or sevenths.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

So why did ancient populations divide the lunar cycle into quarters? It would be more accurate to do it in fifths, sixths or sevenths.

eh?

 

[JamezF]

So why did ancient populations divide the lunar cycle into quarters?

Utterly irrelevant to the original statement, but I imagine because it was a convenient and useful way to mark out time in some sort of way that gave intervals that were longer than one day and shorter than one month. They could quite easily have divided it into eighths if they'd wanted and no-one would have struggled to tell the differences in the relevant phases of the Moon, but there probably wasn't any need when the divisions became so small that it was easy for people even with limited numeracy to count days on the fingers of one hand.

James

 

[fian]

eh?

If the cycle is repeated every 29.5 days and to fully describe it, a greater number of sections means that its characteristics are more uniform. If ancient civilizations used a sexagesimal system, wasn't it more logical that they would have divided the cycle into 5 or 6 sections and rounded up?

 

[Erichalfbee]

If the cycle is repeated every 29.5 days and to fully describe it, a greater number of sections means that its characteristics are more uniform. If ancient civilizations used a sexagesimal system, wasn't it more logical that they would have divided the cycle into 5 or 6 sections and rounded up?

You need to get them back here to argue your case with you.

 

[JamezF]

If the cycle is repeated every 29.5 days and to fully describe it, a greater number of sections means that its characteristics are more uniform. If ancient civilizations used a sexagesimal system, wasn't it more logical that they would have divided the cycle into 5 or 6 sections and rounded up?

Why should "logic" have anything to do with this? Quite possibly the notions of "full", "half waning", "new" and "half waxing" as means of marking time were deeply ingrained in the wider consciousness way before anyone started to formalise counting systems much beyond "one", "two", "three", "many". By that point trying to change things may well have been more pain that it was worth, particularly once ancient astrologers realised that it wasn't actually that accurate in the first place. Far easier to go with the flow for common use and create a different system for when it really mattered.

James

 

[fian]

Why should "logic" have anything to do with this? Quite possibly the notions of "full", "half waning", "new" and "half waxing" as means of marking time were deeply ingrained in the wider consciousness way before anyone started to formalise counting systems much beyond "one", "two", "three", "many". By that point trying to change things may well have been more pain that it was worth, particularly once ancient astrologers realised that it wasn't actually that accurate in the first place. Far easier to go with the flow for common use and create a different system for when it really mattered.

James

Astronomy was an elitist activity in ancient civilizations. If being unimportant is bothering to build giant clocks like Stonehenge or in Aberdeenshire for the lunar cycle.

 

[JamezF]

Astronomy was an elitist activity in ancient civilizations. If being unimportant is bothering to build giant clocks like Stonehenge or in Aberdeenshire for the lunar cycle.

You're just randomly wittering now. It's the behaviour of a troll. I can't be bothered with you any more. You've gone on ignore.

James

 

[Erichalfbee]

You're just randomly wittering now. It's the behaviour of a troll. I can't be bothered with you any more. You've gone on ignore.

James

I wish

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Why should "logic" have anything to do with this?

he's never bothered with it before now!