"Misusing Medicines and Substance Abuse" - NBU

[For want of a better word]

BI are there as far as I am concerned to check for brood disease, if asked to give them honey a 'polite' refusal will be forthcoming!
If food standards ask to test our honey, that's a different story.....
Have BI visiting soon and will ask if it's part of their remit
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I think it was part of Defra link to Food Standards Agency.... after all they ( Defra) had the SBIs directing traffic up in Gloucestershire during the Asian wasp scare!

I am on Stuffies banned/ ignored list so someone will have to copy and repost this so the SF can reply!!
Beef please will you do it ... you seems like a sound chap!

Yeghes da

 

[Beefriendly]

I think it was part of Defra link to Food Standards Agency.... after all they ( Defra) had the SBIs directing traffic up in Gloucestershire during the Asian wasp scare!

I am on Stuffies banned/ ignored list so someone will have to copy and repost this so the SF can reply!!
Beef please will you do it ... you seems like a sound chap!

Yeghes da

My pleasure.....but you still need to spill the beans on your persecutor. Is it personal hate mail? Bad form if it is.

 

[Amari]

There is a Northern Irish company working in animal health that seems to base its whole business plan on acquiring licenses for drugs that have been in common usage for a long time without a license. They are a very successful company and have now started to produce modified formulations of drugs that have recently lost their license.
I am not aware of them ever having developed a novel drug but it is incredibly profitable for them regardless.
Some of it is just very cynical.
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That's interesting! Could you contact them on behalf of all us beekeepers and suggest they license oxalic acid?

 

[colinc]

That's interesting! Could you contact them on behalf of all us beekeepers and suggest they license oxalic acid?

Apibioxal beat them to it


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[Finman]

That's interesting! Could you contact them on behalf of all us beekeepers and suggest they license oxalic acid?

Apibioxal is ordinary oxalic acid.

 

[Beefriendly]

Apibioxal is ordinary oxalic acid.

Plus additives...glucose and silca. They tell us it is suitable for vaporization. Which is technically correct as the Oxalic acid does vaporize; it's cleaning up the gummy residue left behind that suggests they have work to do on this front.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Plus additives...glucose and silca. They tell us it is suitable for vaporization. Which is technically correct as the Oxalic acid does vaporize; it's cleaning up the gummy residue left behind that suggests they have work to do on this front.

Baco foil protects ovens so it ought to be ok for sublimator dishes albeit it might slow the process.

 

[Beefriendly]

Good point, but why should anyone have to improvise their equipment to use a product recommended for vaporization? Pure oxalic acid doesn't leave a residue, just the apibioxal stuff.

 

[Finman]

Plus additives...glucose and silca. They tell us it is suitable for vaporization.

Rubbish....

Vaporazion has been used...how long...25 year without additives


I read about Apioxal: Put powder into 1:1 syrup. Normal trickling stuff. Oxalicdehydrate.

You cannot explain one this oxalic is approved and this is not. Chemically they are same, from same factory.

 

[Beefriendly]

Rubbish....

Not rubbish, Apibioxal also contains glucose and silica alongside the oxalic acid.

 

[Finman]

Not rubbish, Apibioxal also contains glucose and silica alongside the oxalic acid.

joke then.. And you pay for that?
And what they do there. Nothing. Show me a research test. Never seen.

In trickling all cure stuff contains glugose and fructose.

And silica, SiO2 = the most usual stuff in sand.... What them?

 

[pargyle]

joke then.. And you pay for that?
And what they do there. Nothing. Show me a research test. Never seen.

In trickling all cure stuff contains glugose and fructose.

And silica, SiO2 = the most usual stuff in sand.... What them?

You are missing the point ... the reason these 'pollutants' are in Apibioxal is so that the manufacturers can claim its uniqueness ... All animal veterinary 'medicines' in the UK now have to be licenced and the licensing process costs a lot of money. Nobody is going to spend the money to licence basic OA as then anyone could sell it and they would not recoup the thousands necessary to get it approved. So .. basic OA remains illegal as a veterinary medicine that can be applied to bees.

If the BBKA had any sense they would spend some of its members money on obtaining a licence for its members to be permitted to buy basic BBKA OA and purchase it through the BBKA for sensible prices and thus be permitted to use it legitimately. But when has the BBKA done anything sensible ?

Indeed, I'm not even sure the BBKA have caught on to OA by sublimation yet ?

 

[fatshark]

There may be other reasons the BBKA won't help license standard OA ... http://www.-------------/sbai_forum...aporator-12-Volt&p=37205&viewfull=1#post37205

 

[pargyle]

There may be other reasons the BBKA won't help license standard OA ... http://www.-------------/sbai_forum...aporator-12-Volt&p=37205&viewfull=1#post37205

Link to the SBAI forum doesn't work ... is this the post ?

"Could be something to do with a [senior person in the BBKA] assisting the makers of Apibioxal to bring the product to market!"

If it is and it's true ... then there should be some challenging of this vested interest ....

 

[For want of a better word]

This Apipoxall scam will hit the fan and heads will roll........


Well we can all live in hope!

Nos da

 

[Beefriendly]

joke then.. And you pay for that?

It's a public forum and I'm duty bound to say that it is illegal in the UK to use anything but a legally approved product against varroa.
I'm told some use pure wood cleaner. Tut Tut tut

 

[Beefriendly]

If it is and it's true ... then there should be some challenging of this vested interest ....

It's a tricky one Parglyel....it was technically illegal to use Oxalic acid until it became legal. So credit is due for legalizing it, regardless of where the help came from. Credit is not due to cutting it with glucose and silica and saying it is suitable for vaporization without warning it will gum up your vaporizer.

 

[Finman]

You are missing the point ... ?

I have nothing to miss.

 

[Finman]

It's a tricky one Parglyel....it was technically illegal to use Oxalic acid until it became legal. So credit is due for legalizing it, regardless of where the help came from. Credit is not due to cutting it with glucose and silica and saying it is suitable for vaporization without warning it will gum up your vaporizer.

Like it has gummed during last 25 years

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[fatshark]

Beefriendly is right ... but we've ended up with a less good product which is a missed opportunity.

Cr.API-Bioxal works out cheaper than all other Varroa treatments (that are VMD approved). That's a good thing, perhaps the only good thing.

Using an iPad with fat fingers, apologies for the typos.