Maximum number of colonies...

[BMH]

Its quite simple no debate needed if your getting hives that swarm you have too many so go until you cant handle them then sell some and if you want rid fast Ill have them I have hives waiting

How much would you pay per hive?

 

[sipa]

How much would you pay per hive?

Wrong approach, you set the price.
If your customer wants to negotiate, let them.

 

[BMH]

Wrong approach, you set the price.

If your customer wants to negotiate, let them.

Sorry. I was feeding the troll.

Lets try again. £700 each for only the most swarmiest.

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[Millet]

Sorry. I was feeding the troll.

Lets try again. £700 each for only the most swarmiest.

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[Finman]

Sorry. I was feeding the troll.

Lets try again. £700 each for only the most swarmiest.

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The price of queen is £500. Anti varroa queen. Treatment cost only 490/hive.
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[Finman]

Lets try again. £700 each for only the most swarmiest.

How many years it takes that you get the price back with honey 15 kg/hive?

 

[maddydog]

How many years it takes that you get the price back with honey 15 kg/hive?

15kg? Only in the good years. Finnie you should know by now that we in the UK only keep bees to spend money

 

[Finman]

15kg? Only in the good years. Finnie you should know by now that we in the UK only keep bees to spend money

Jep. Just like keeping a car or two.

 

[ericbeaumont]

I wish part time work paid that well here .
Feel free to try that in N.Wales where there's regularly 30 miles between better class outlets and their max retail price would be £4 less than your wholesale price.

An average of 22kg/colony x producing colonies (say, 50) - market commission - overheads = a lot less than that, SDM.

Let's see the wood, rather than the bark on a branch of a tree: how to raise the price of honey to maximise the return for minimum outlay.

This was the starting point for lal5000: What's the maximum number of hives people have before realising they need assistance/go FT?

And if increasing numbers aims to increase revenue, here's the easiest method to limit his return: Therefore I dont need to factor in any time for extracting, sales, marketing etc

In other parts of the world they from co-ops to extract, package and sell honey, which must give stable prices and build market share and brand awareness. If I lived in Wales (and London is no fun: costs £200 pa just to park the car outside) then I'd be thinking of a Welsh Honey Co-Operative.

I came across by chance a newsletter from Ceracell who are proposing an NZ co-op to stabilise prices and gain some clout. Seems early days but they're talking of asking the NZ Govt for $30m.

Here's the original message: Do you have honey but no buyer in sight, or prices too low to cover costs? Let’s get together and talk about it.

Bruce Clow, Managing Director of Ceracell Beekeeping Supplies (NZ) Ltd is travelling through-out the country in April hosting meetings with beekeepers who might be interested in starting a honey producers’ co-op, or looking at other ways to improve the financial returns for commercial beekeepers.

Ceracell has always said that we are here “to help beekeepers”, and quite a number of our commercial beekeepers have expressed serious concerns about their ability to sell honey at a price that makes their business viable. Well Bruce says, “we are here to help”. Let’s see what we can do together. If things look dark and desperate, you are not alone. Come to one of the meetings and we’ll see what we might be able to do together. Also, let your commercial beekeeping friends know about the meetings, just in case they haven’t seen this notice.

Topics that we might cover:

• Is there really a problem?
• What is a Co-op?
• What might be involved in setting up a Co-op?
• Are there other things a beekeeper might do to improve his/her bottom-line?
• If I want “out” how can it be done and recover value from my business?
• Is there “hope”?
• You are not alone!

 

[Jimmy]

In other parts of the world they from co-ops to extract, package and sell honey, which must give stable prices and build market share and brand awareness. If I lived in Wales (and London is no fun: costs £200 pa just to park the car outside) then I'd be thinking of a Welsh Honey Co-Operative.




[/I]

Shared extraction facilities sounds great for my situation, especially for something that I would use for ~5 working days a year for around 30 production hives.

I have no evidence to back it up but I think farming cooperatives have struggled in this country as there is a distrust of ones farming neighbours, seeing them as competitors rather than potential collaborators.

Wasn't there a First Honey Cooperative in relatively recent years? I think it's now ceased trading, not sure why it came to an end. I think it was for selling bulk honey in 300kg barrels rather than extraction or processing. If you were big enough to extract into barrels though quite why you needed help selling is a good question.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What do you think the maximum number of colonies 1 person can manage

It is obvious that some can't cope with one

 

[For want of a better word]

Shared extraction facilities sounds great for my situation, especially for something that I would use for ~5 working days a year for around 30 production hives.

I have no evidence to back it up but I think farming cooperatives have struggled in this country as there is a distrust of ones farming neighbours, seeing them as competitors rather than potential collaborators.

Wasn't there a First Honey Cooperative in relatively recent years? I think it's now ceased trading, not sure why it came to an end. I think it was for selling bulk honey in 300kg barrels rather than extraction or processing. If you were big enough to extract into barrels though quite why you needed help selling is a good question.

I believe the First Honey Cooperative failed as the people running it did not pay the member for the honey they supplied?

One Honey Cooperative that was grant funded to purchase a mobile clean room extraction facility fell into disarray as it started to heavily discount on retail honey prices to attempt to undercut the other local suppliers, instead of pushing prices up..... and I believe the mobile unit never came to fruition.

Possibly we are all our own worst enemies?

As for rose tinted spectacles.....

 

[Finman]

Possibly we are all our own worst enemies?

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We all.....??? Worst?

Where you put your ego?... And medicine.

 

[For want of a better word]

We all.....??? Worst?

Where you put your ego?... And medicine.

Latest prescription is a single malt Tallisker..... it seems to be evaporating!

 

[Welshboyarchrr]

That's the problem. Not drinking it fast enough ��

 

[Gilberdyke John]

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Possibly we are all our own worst enemies?

As for rose tinted spectacles.....

Ain't that the truth

 

[ericbeaumont]

there is a distrust of ones farming neighbours, seeing them as competitors rather than potential collaborators.

There lies the nub of the issue, Jimmy.

Beefarmers (however small-scale) ought to have an insight into how to work co-operatively - after all, they have the best teachers under their management - and it says much about beekeepers in business that the routine norm is preferable to building a different future.

Bear in mind that the map of the future has already changed and will continue to do so: our response to environmental armageddon is not a case of recycling cardboard, but otherwise business as usual. We have a fundamental need to change human behaviour and consumption, as the UN report suggested.

In an age when Brexit has raised the profile of home-grown, significant reduction of global environmental damage a high priority, 80% of honey is imported, and good prices can be achieved if UK honey is packaged and sold properly, it perplexes me that UK beekeepers still accept low prices and miss out on the profit.

If those elements don't offer us all an opportunity, what will?

 

[Finman]

Ain't that the truth

There are two truths in self-esteem.

If self esteem is positive, achievement depeds on my skills and failured jobs depended on bad circumtancies.

If self-esteem is weak, achievement depends on good luck and failured jobs depended on me.

Draw fom that.

 

[SDM]

If self-esteem is weak, achievement depends on good luck and failured jobs depended on me.

Draw fom that.

Then ultimately, weak/low self esteem is probably better for performance in the long run.

 

[alancooper]

Fifty hives inspected in five hours. Do you enjoy your beekeeping?