Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

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Suggestions.... Suggestions ...when I think.... No...
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One suggestion. Maybe all that is needed is an experienced bee stockman with a proven management plan.
We have not required a fancy gadget to increase hives under management from 30 to 300 per man.
 
We have not required a fancy gadget to increase hives under management from 30 to 300 per man.

I have noticed after 30 hives, that my store rooms have walls.

What ever store barn is not suitable, because combs may have quite much mold next spring.
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Wow. That`s what I would call impressive.
Co.Louth? Mmmm… Violet mountains… I never saw such fascinating pictures before I moved in Ireland.
Astonishing scenic views … And a very prospective area for a Large Scale Beekeeper…do not know – whether I should be afraid of it or I should be glad for it… I have not decided it yet for myself ;)
Actually all that heather is already well-covered by bees every year and the honey it produces is first class. Unfortunately, they're not mine - our BKA beekeeper of the year has them there and his successes at the London Honey Show speak for themselves.
 
Actually all that heather is already well-covered by bees every year and the honey it produces is first class. Unfortunately, they're not mine - our BKA beekeeper of the year has them there and his successes at the London Honey Show speak for themselves.
It`s 11 year old pictures actually :) Did not notice any bee there then, probably because beekeeping was not in my plans in those happy times way before recession ;) Anyway I feel you got the point re. resources struggle ;)
 
Now here's a question for you larger scale producers... Do you actually enjoy it ?

Or, on what they call mature reflection, would you if you could start again pursue a different career , in relation to job satisfaction ?
 
Yes... to you enjoy or would on reflection, choose another carrer

Oh dear. That easy. Look at unemployment figures. In many places 20%.

When it was the first oil crisis 1975, it kicked up many beekeeping family companies in Finland. The consentrated stuff delivered company went bankrupt , it encouraged family companies to start stuff business.

What I mean. Life is not such easy.

There are hard competition in every area.
 
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Now here's a question for you larger scale producers... Do you actually enjoy it ?

Or, on what they call mature reflection, would you if you could start again pursue a different career , in relation to job satisfaction ?

If you even have such doubts don't even start. Bee farming is not a career, its a disease and its incurable.

I was a ships officer before I took over the bees from my father, and had just been offered my first command. In response I was totally honest with the company and they in turn treated me very well in my final months.

The standard of living bee farming has given me is hugely inferior to that I would have enjoyed if I had remained in shipping.

However the quality of life is incomparable. I am 61 this month and have been a bee farmer for many years now and whilst you cannot say I have loved every minute of it, I cannot imagine a generally more satisfying and addictive life.

However, the thread was about viability...

Those going into bees need to do their sums very carefully though. You cannot work on average crops being the threshold of viability, you need to set the bar at probably no more than 70% of average and work you costs and hive numbers from that baseline.

Most who think of the bees as a profession, especially if it is honey production as their main activity, are actually way too optimistic, and they think they can make a living off far too few colonies.

Too few colonies and you end up having to do everything under the sun to maximise the return from every little thing you produce, and its actually not the most profitable thing to do. The actual cash return from doing candles etc is normally very low, and the costs of packing honey needs very careful analysis or you end up working long hours and hauling your tail round demanding clients for a pittance in reality.

We work on needing roughly 400 colonies per full time employee, and we have heather in abundance to go to. Without it it becomes a non starter around here. You can see some of our heather territory in the albums section.

Unless you can consider doing this kind of numbers (and it varies around the Uk and Ireland) then you have to go into other income generating channels like nucleus production for sale, a bit of queen rearing, maybe some paid pollination work, or the real outlier which is more about farming peoples aspirations and consciences, such as being paid under adopt a hive schemes etc which are now around in significant numbers....but the paperwork is horrendous. (see the recent tender document for 2 to 4 hives to be placed in the Scottish Parliament garden).

Lots of ways to skin a cat but I like to keep it relatively uncomplicated. Play to your strength, hive off your weaknesses to others, and most importantly, get some enjoyment out of it.

It can be both viable AND pleasurable, but it aint ever going to have you especially rich.

I would not want to do anything else, never want to retire (sorry kids!!!), and will die happy if I keel over with a heart attack putting supers on at the heather in a heavy flow.....or just watching the pollen streaming in in spring.

Do NOT go into it with unrealistic expectations or without significant knowledge of your areas forage patterns and seasonal rythms which means have a good level of experience first. I was lucky, being raised in a bee farming family so it is all hard wired into me, but others need to get into the way of it first before risking all.

Always remember that a lot of what others will tell you about how to things is opinion. Forums especially abound with strongly held opinions masquerading as facts and you can easily get mislead. Always keep an open mind and be prepared to steal good ideas wherever you see them, and beware of zealots.

But you MUST do your sums, and do them HONESTLY. The easiest person to mislead is yourself.



ps....also forget the bragging that goes on. Honey yield per colony is regularly overstated and in truth is only of partial relevance. When you are commercial the true measure is yield per pound invested, and that includes costing your time. You may well find that a lower per colony yield on a simplified management system makes you more money than a higher yield on a more complex system (actually you WILL find that). Once you are in it for an income the days of playing with your bees and taking 20 minutes a hive are OVER.
 
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If you even have such doubts don't even start. Bee farming is not a career, its a disease and its incurable.
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....also forget the bragging that goes on. Honey yield per colony is regularly overstated and in truth is only of partial relevance. When you are commercial the true measure is yield per pound invested, and that includes costing your time. You may well find that a lower per colony yield on a simplified management system makes you more money than a higher yield on a more complex system (actually you WILL find that). Once you are in it for an income the days of playing with your bees and taking 20 minutes a hive are OVER.

As always Murray - an honest and insightful look at the real world of commercial beekeeping ...it should be a sticky to warn those who arrive on here (and there's bee a few over the years and a couple local to me that I encountered) who see honey selling in the farm shops at astronomic prices and then do the sums based on someone telling them they can get 150Kg a hive a year ...

It ain't the real world .. as a hobby beekeeper you are lucky to break even .. and the reality is that growing your hive numbers will actually cost you money in the short term .. more kit, more frames, more foundation, bigger extractors and buckets, travelling to out apiaries, selling/marketing etc.etc. ... it goes on and on (without taking into account the time spent).

You and your family have spent lifetimes building the business and honing the skills - anyone thinking of becoming a beefarmer really needs to think either long term or have a very large fortune to start with ...
 
You and your family have spent lifetimes building the business and honing the skills - anyone thinking of becoming a beefarmer really needs to think either long term or have a very large fortune to start with ...

Then you sell your lifetimes business for a huge sum as none of you family wish to continue with it... retire and start a new business in Beekeeping... using all of the business skills that you used in building your original business.....

Fortunately not everyone falls into that "honey trap"... some of us are workaholics and need something very challenging!
Beefarming fits that bill perfectly!
It is more than just honey!!

Yeghes da
 
AND... easy to look back and revell in the good ol days... I would not have spent 7 years working for the NHS... or several years working in horrendous conditions overseas in the middle east.
Neither would I have even considered a career in beekeeping.

So to answer the question "is beefarming viable?"... as in all things beekeeping there are at least three answers.... No Possibly and yes.

Yeghes da
 
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IT depends, how long you have afford to run non viable business?

Exactly, like any business it will require capital not only to provide the necessary equipment etc. to start up .. it also needs capital to provide the interim income .. until profits are made.

The uncertainties and seasonal nature of beekeeping make beefarming a somewhat risk laden proposition in the UK as a start up business ... I think a bank would have a fit if you went to them to ask for a start-up loan to go into commercial beekeeping ! But ... it's not all about the money in beekeeping is it ?
 
! But ... it's not all about the money in beekeeping is it ?

IT seems that not, because British beekeepers are willing to buy many fold prices for simple basic things. And quess who takes the profits... Don't say that they are those helfull professionals...

Fondant 6 fold compared to sugar,
frames 2.5 fold,
polyboxes 2.0,
smoker 2.0

Best smoker £50 in UK, same in China £5

Food chain in ecology

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IT seems that not, because British beekeepers are willing to buy many fold prices for simple basic things. And quess who takes the profits... Don't say that they are those helfull professionals...

Fondant 6 fold compared to sugar,
frames 2.5 fold,
polyboxes 2.0,
smoker 2.0

Best smoker £50 in UK, same in China £5

Food chain in ecology

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Buy 100 smokers in China for £5.00 each.. sell for £50
OR sell you honey for £10 per lb!
OR sell scales to weigh boiling water to immature beekeepesr to make up 2:1 sugar syrup!!!:ohthedrama::ohthedrama::ohthedrama:

Splan!
Yeghes da
 
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