Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

[oliver90owner]

So ITLD is not going to fit flow hive frames in the near future? Well I never!

 

[Into the lions den]

So ITLD is not going to fit flow hive frames in the near future? Well I never!

Well, if anyone is interested, one of my Chinese contacts sells flow hives. Depending on numbers they want 50 to 110 US dollars each for them. All the kit you need, all fully assembled and ready to put the bees in. Claim they are making them for others who are selling them on in other countries at 10 times the price.

Two of our landowners have read about flow hives and are wanting to buy them to have outside their farm shops...........in the nicest possible way (by quoting them numbers) I try to persuade them that this may not be the wisest move they ever made...

 

[For want of a better word]

Well, if anyone is interested, one of my Chinese contacts sells flow hives. Depending on numbers they want 50 to 110 US dollars each for them. All the kit you need, all fully assembled and ready to put the bees in. Claim they are making them for others who are selling them on in other countries at 10 times the price.

Two of our landowners have read about flow hives and are wanting to buy them to have outside their farm shops...........in the nicest possible way (by quoting them numbers) I try to persuade them that this may not be the wisest move they ever made...

My Gran used to say FOOLS and their money are soon parted !

Nos da

 

[BrianO]

Nah - he's old school - still uses his mouth to eject excrement

Lovely... Really pleasant stuff

And we are off , I believe they call it Trolling.

In fairness to Finman he does not spew out vitriolic stuff like this.

 

[Millet]

Lovely... Really pleasant stuff

And we are off , I believe they call it Trolling.

In fairness to Finman he does not spew out vitriolic stuff like this.

Surely your post was Trolling.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

In fairness to Finman he does not spew out vitriolic stuff like this.

Really?

Yes, Jenking love to fart blood. He is like **** oriented missile.
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If I were you, I'd just keep my sticky beak out and my trap shut until I got my fact right before trolling any further

 

[BrianO]

Ok

Hadnt seen that , youre right i will.

Only interested in Beekeping not this side of forum life. It atrocious stuff .. All

 

[Into the lions den]

IT seems that not, because British beekeepers are willing to buy many fold prices for simple basic things. And quess who takes the profits... Don't say that they are those helfull professionals...

Fondant 6 fold compared to sugar,
frames 2.5 fold,
polyboxes 2.0,
smoker 2.0

Best smoker £50 in UK, same in China £5

Food chain in ecology

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Not me Finman. Nor any other professional I know of.

I source things at prices every bit as sharp as you quote, and often a lot sharper.

Don't buy the Chinese smokers though. Many issues with those that I don't like, prefer to buy the good Dadants by the case......they retail at a ridiculous price here, but I think my last lot came in at about 16 pounds, and that's for the biggest one with the guard.

The biggest reason prices are so high in the UK is the fragmented nature of the market, and the individualism of the beekeepers. Way too many minor hive types favoured by lots of beekeepers. If we all stuck to only one or two variants things would be much better. If we used international standard kit things would be MUCH better.

 

[bpmurray]

If yo really want to make money from beekeeping, it appears that this is the solution: http://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35935

 

[peteinwilts]

Ok

Hadnt seen that , youre right i will.

Only interested in Beekeping not this side of forum life. It atrocious stuff .. All

roll on April!

 

[charlievictorbravo]

Well, if anyone is interested, one of my Chinese contacts sells flow hives. Depending on numbers they want 50 to 110 US dollars each for them. All the kit you need, all fully assembled and ready to put the bees in. Claim they are making them for others who are selling them on in other countries at 10 times the price.

Two of our landowners have read about flow hives and are wanting to buy them to have outside their farm shops...........in the nicest possible way (by quoting them numbers) I try to persuade them that this may not be the wisest move they ever made...

They would not be Flow Hives™ - they'd be genuine imitation copies, whose manufacturers are stealing the intellectual property of two beekeepers from New South Wales who spent 4 years developing their product.

CVB

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

They would not be Flow Hives™
CVB

No, you're right - these are called Frow Hives

 

[Into the lions den]

They would not be Flow Hives

It does not matter to me.............such a contraption is dependant on many factors to succeed...none of which are particularly UK friendly.

In my case it would be 'interesting' to see how it coped with thixotropic honey, or OSR in uncertain weather. 70% of my annual harvest is thixotropic.

My advice to the local farm shops is based on the local average crop for their locations being about 6 to 8Kg of grumbly OSR honey a year and nothing to follow. Payback period several decades...and it would have been long since sold off for buttons on ebay due to operator frustration.

Very different idea where you have a crop in the hundreds of kilos of slow to crystallise honey (like eucalyptus), at least its worth looking at on a small scale.

 

[For want of a better word]

To return to the OP

Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

Not with a Flow's Hive... IMOHO

Yeghes da

 

[BrianO]

It's a tough market !!

How the hell do they do it ?

In Aldi today , 340g *Organic* honey, nice contoured jar, gold honeycomb metal lid, nicely labelled with anti tamper strip... € 2.69 !! Euros !!

So we have a Beek, packaging, transport ( by sea ) handling, profit * 2 ... How the hell ?

Even worse.. It tastes Bloody good !!

 

[Finman]

To return to the OP

Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

Not with a Flow's Hive... IMOHO

Yeghes da

If you extract 1000 kg in a day, it is impossible to do via narrow plastic tube.

 

[Cussword]

How the hell do they do it ?

In Aldi today , 340g *Organic* honey, nice contoured jar, gold honeycomb metal lid, nicely labelled with anti tamper strip... € 2.69 !! Euros !!

So we have a Beek, packaging, transport ( by sea ) handling, profit * 2 ... How the hell

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Chinese?

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

It's a tough market !!

How the hell do they do it ?

In Aldi today , 340g *Organic* honey, nice contoured jar, gold honeycomb metal lid, nicely labelled with anti tamper strip... € 2.69 !! Euros !!

So we have a Beek, packaging, transport ( by sea ) handling, profit * 2 ... How the hell ?

Even worse.. It tastes Bloody good !!

My antennae would go up immediately at "organic honey". Given it is essentially impossible in the British Isles, my questions would be where is it possible, how, and certified by whom?

ADD Yet here it is: https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Rowse-Organic-Clear-Honey/56676011 NOT from the British Isles. How does the Soil Association square this with http://www.soilassociation.org/freq...d/2408/is-there-such-a-thing-as-organic-honey ?

ADDADD The gig seems to be that these certifications are internationally mutually recognised, so "organic" honey is as good as the weakest certifier. Googling it, US organic honey, which cannot come from the US, seems to come from Brazil, for example.

 

[BrianO]

My antennae would go up immediately at "organic honey". Given it is essentially impossible in the British Isles, my questions would be where is it possible, how, and certified by whom?

ADD Yet here it is: https://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Rowse-Organic-Clear-Honey/56676011 NOT from the British Isles. How does the Soil Association square this with http://www.soilassociation.org/freq...d/2408/is-there-such-a-thing-as-organic-honey ?

ADDADD The gig seems to be that these certifications are internationally mutually recognised, so "organic" honey is as good as the weakest certifier. Googling it, US organic honey, which cannot come from the US, seems to come from Brazil, for example.

Hi

did not say European, is not but still incredible, margin must be tiny.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

as we know -sugar syrup can be cheap as chips - add a bit of colour and flavour - job done!