Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

[B+.]

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I wonder what is British moral and manners.

I agree with you Finman. It should be possible to disagree with someone without exposing them to so much ridicule

 

[BeeBeeKa]

Ok, a carp is cleaned, although it`s not essential IMHO, as a brain is a filter itself, thus it`s capable to separate a useful information from a useless carp if works properly
Back to basic. ” Large Scale Honey production.. Viable? “Of course it is. A number of people owned thousands of hives. We know about it from books, mass media, some of them come on forum, and share their experience…not all experience, I`m pretty sure
A business is a war. It straggles for resources, otherwise it won`t make an expansion, it won`t grow, it won`t succeed. Thus the real question that bothers me: for what expense you`re ready to win the war?
Are you ready to take difficult and tough decisions, similar to those that helped to win the WWII i.e.? Similar to whether bombarding Dresden in 13-15 February 1945, or Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing in 6-9 August 1945, when tenth and hundreds of thousands of lives of civilians were sacrificed mainly to approve the resoluteness, bordering with madness, to win the war… saving hundreds of thousands of ally soldiers and other civilian lives of course.
Do you think I`m dramatizing? Yes, I am Dramatizing is a trick used to show how far the things could go if they go… too far

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Now I am afraid

 

[Goodwood]

Yep
He's nuts
What a ruination of a thread.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Reminds me of a report on a trainee I once read:

"by allowing this officer to retain his commission we are depriving some village of its idiot"

 

[BrianO]

Reminds me of a report on a trainee I once read:

"by allowing this officer to retain his commission we are depriving some village of its idiot"

That is harsh and insulting regardless.

That applies to above and all preceding insults.

To easy to sit at a computer and issue an insult.

I wonder how many would adopt the same rhetoric standing in front of a person, face to face, of whose opinion they disagreed with. Regardless of their protestations, very very few I am sure .

 

[BeeBeeKa]

The modern education, knowledge and technologies may help business to expand more… Are we all interested in that? How much land occupies the, let`s say, 1000 hive owner. I mean how many hobbyist and small scale beekeepers won`t be allowed to set their hives near that territory? (As a hive itself does not take much territory, thankfully. That is one of the greatest advantages of beekeeping IMHO) Now just emerge that the new gadget, installed in each hive, frees up a huge amount of time for that owner. Gathering almost all the necessary data for decision making, without a need to do his regular inspections, what increase he`ll be able to make? 10000? 50000 hives?... How much extra land to occupy? How many beeks to show the door?

George told that the noise sensor is able to detect first signs of swarm preparation 2 weeks (AFAIR) before it happens. It`s a plenty of time to get ready for it. And from an experience of work with the data received they know when it`s time to open the hive and take all necessary steps to deal with it. “Handy, is not it?”

 

[BeeBeeKa]

That is harsh and insulting regardless.

Do not worry my friend. My filter works pretty well
I could set a special filter even specifically designed for my browser to eliminate this people out of my reading list. But they also provide useful information time after time…when not too busy in throwing excrements around. Thus, “let all the flowers to blossom” The fertilizer won`t spoil it

 

[bpmurray]

Since I'm a geek, I created my own monitor, with temperature of the brood & the super (currently measuring below the brood), and the temperature & humidity above the crown board. And, just because I can, I have a camera pointing at one hive - I intend to write some video analysis to see if I can make it "see" robbing and/or swarming. (edit: click on the pic to start the streaming - only ca. 4 frames/sec).

Total cost for 2 hives around €30. I plan on upgrading it with weight measurements (if I can ever get that to work correctly) and using a Pi Zero, bringing the cost down to around half that for 2 hives.

http://beespi.mybluemix.net/

 

[vgoncalves]

Since I'm a geek, I created my own monitor, with temperature of the brood & the super (currently measuring below the brood), and the temperature & humidity above the crown board. And, just because I can, I have a camera pointing at one hive - I intend to write some video analysis to see if I can make it "see" robbing and/or swarming. (edit: click on the pic to start the streaming - only ca. 4 frames/sec).

Total cost for 2 hives around €30. I plan on upgrading it with weight measurements (if I can ever get that to work correctly) and using a Pi Zero, bringing the cost down to around half that for 2 hives.

Nice! Good project...

 

[BeeBeeKa]

http://beespi.mybluemix.net/

Wow. That`s what I would call impressive.
Co.Louth? Mmmm… Violet mountains… I never saw such fascinating pictures before I moved in Ireland.
Astonishing scenic views … And a very prospective area for a Large Scale Beekeeper…do not know – whether I should be afraid of it or I should be glad for it… I have not decided it yet for myself



Compare it with our Sligo landscape. It`s also fascinating and astonishing , but a sheep would be much more impressed with it than a bee, I`m affraid

 

[Finman]

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I have such principle, that I accept new methods, if they bring more honey to the hive.

Video camera does not bring honey.

If you invent something, thar bees need a screen, where whey see nice videos about flowers and a sun or more. It motivates them to fly.
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[B+.]

That is one of the greatest advantages of beekeeping IMHO) Now just emerge that the new gadget, installed in each hive, frees up a huge amount of time for that owner. Gathering almost all the necessary data for decision making, without a need to do his regular inspections, what increase he`ll be able to make?

I hate to burst your bubble, but, the Arnia system falls a long way short of the utopia you describe. Just a few of its shortfalls include:

- Pest and Disease Monitoring
- Brood inspection for efb/afb/sacbrood/chalk brood/etc
- Varroa monitoring (natural mite drop/ pinprick/ soap/alcohol wash, etc)

- Inbreeding Assessment

- shortage of space for the queen to lay

- Drone laying queen / laying workers / etc

There are a myriad of situations that can only be determined by a proper visual inspection. The days of computer systems taking over beekeeping are a long way off

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

 

[Finman]

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Data decision making

Spring
- speed of build up
- when to add more boxes
- quality of Queen
This all needs one second to DECIDE when you see it with eyes.

Summer
- to see milk in Queen cells

More summer
- how much room
- how much honey
- how much more room
- when to extract
- how much foundations to be drawn
- when to change the queen

 

[BeeBeeKa]

I hate to burst your bubble,

Do not worry much, you won`t succeed in it, my friend I`m a hopeless dreamer.

but, the Arnia system falls a long way short of the utopia you describe.

I`m pretty sure that the official representatives of the Arnia would give you much more comprehensive and competent reply. Why would not ask them directly?
But if you are interested in my view, here it is:

Just a few of its shortfalls include:
- Pest and Disease Monitoring

Pest is mainly a winter problem. How many beeks may detect pest presence in the hive in winter?
While if you see a sudden and suspicious drop of temperature under crown board (as sensor indicates), that gives you a clear signal: go and check what the situation is. Whether it`s because of a nest shrinking due to pest, or desies; or it`s just a beginning of a normal broodless period.
As to pests, a strong colony and a height of an entrance = < 8mm seems to be enough factors to prevent this.

Brood inspection for efb/afb/sacbrood/chalk brood/etc

sacbrood/chalk brood mostly refers to cold and dump in the hive. If space is too big while a cluster is too small, - give them a dummy board, - it`ll give them a better chance to survive me think. Again, sensor under crown board should give you a clue.
efb/afb …Well, any disease should lead to a brood shrinking, that inevitably will lead to lowering temperature and raising humidity in the hive, been a signal for inspection.

- Varroa monitoring (natural mite drop/ pinprick/ soap/alcohol wash, etc)

You do not check mites every week, do not you? In my practice I will obey a common sense rule. If there is a significant load of the mite in a given season, I`ll treat them twice : thymol in autumn and oxalic in winter. If load in autumn is minimal – thymol should suffice.

Inbreeding Assessment

It leads to small colony. Low temp, high hum.,->assess->get rid of Quinn

shortage of space for the queen to lay

No need for a full inspection. Good temps and humidity for a prolonged period of time->lift a crown board. No space -> add super-> make note -> done.

Drone laying queen / laying workers / etc

No nice and steady rise of temp under a crown board->no good brood rearing-> go and check. Always keep an eye on the suspicious hives, sick hives, hives with new queens. Computer won`t do a job instead of you (at least in a [FONT=&quot]foreseeable future).It only helps with your proper time management…And leave alone the hives developing well, just let them grow… That`s how I see it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ogh…And I do not know much about role of a noise sensor yet( exept the been discussed)… [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Disclaimer: the whole reply above is a pure theory came out of my poor head , based on a total lack of a relevant information and never had a chance to be checked in my practice Thank you for understanding [/FONT]

There are a myriad of situations that can only be determined by a proper visual inspection. The days of computer systems taking over beekeeping are a long way off

 

[Finman]

Do not worry much, you won`t succeed in it, my friend I`m a hopeless dreamer.
I`m pretty sure that the official representatives of the Arnia would give you much more comprehensive and competent reply. Why would not ask them directly?
But if you are interested in my view, here it is:

Pest is mainly a winter problem. How many beeks may detect pest presence in the hive in winter?
While if you see a sudden and suspicious drop of temperature under crown board (as sensor indicates), that gives you a clear signal: go and check what the situation is. Whether it`s because of a nest shrinking due to pest, or desies; or it`s just a beginning of a normal broodless period.
As to pests, a strong colony and a height of an entrance = < 8mm seems to be enough factors to prevent this.

sacbrood/chalk brood mostly refers to cold and dump in the hive. If space is too big while a cluster is too small, - give them a dummy board, - it`ll give them a better chance to survive me think. Again, sensor under crown board should give you a clue.
efb/afb …Well, any disease should lead to a brood shrinking, that inevitably will lead to lowering temperature and raising humidity in the hive, been a signal for inspection.

You do not check mites every week, do not you? In my practice I will obey a common sense rule. If there is a significant load of the might in a given season, I`ll treat them twice : thymol in autumn and oxalic in winter. If load in autumn is minimal – thymol should suffice.

It leads to small colony. Low temp, high hum.,->assess->get rid of Quinn
No need for a full inspection. Good temps and humidity for a prolonged period of time->lift a crown board. No space -> add super-> make note -> done.
No nice and steady rise of temp under a crown board->no good brood rearing-> go and check. Always keep an eye on the suspicious hives, sick hives, hives with new queens. Computer won`t do a job instead of you (at least in a [FONT=&quot]foreseeable future).It only helps with your proper time management…And leave alone the hives developing well, just let them grow… That`s how I see it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ogh…And I do not know much about role of a noise sensor yet( exept the been discussed)… [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Disclaimer: the whole text above is a pure theory came out of my poor head , based on a total lack of a relevant information and never had a chance to be checked in my practice Thank you for understanding [/FONT]

Full of rubbish
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There are a clear difference theory and carbage like output. BeeKaa, you have not written any theory.
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BeeKaa, try to read couple beekeeping books, before you write more.

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[Finman]

beekaa. What you write about pest and diseases, it all xarbage.

It does not take much time, about half an hour, if you read some booklets, what are bee diseases.

 

[BeeBeeKa]

Full of rubbish
There are a clear difference theory and carbage like output. BeeKaa, you have not written any theory.
BeeKaa, try to read couple beekeeping books, before you write more.
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[FONT=&quot]You are as nice and polite as always, my friend…Any real suggestions?
Agh... Ok. Forget about it. You are not in that mood
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[Finman]

[FONT=&quot]You are as nice and polite as always, my friend…Any real suggestions?
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Suggestions.... Suggestions ...when I think.... No...
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